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About TheOctarineMage

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  1. TheOctarineMage added a post in a topic Nietszche and the Nazis   


    No, I know what I've read about the Nietzsche and the nazis and I no more trust my interpretation of what I read as any other's.

    No, I didn't claim to know if there was race or not. You sure see a lot in what I say. I was talking about the consequences of holding either belief or disbelief in race. I said it would be interesting to see. It's called musing. If his philosophy could be used for such ill purposes, which philosophy are you using on me?
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  2. TheOctarineMage added a post in a topic The Third Stage of Hsing-I Chuan   

    I guess 'Muscle Building' is a misnomer here, but that's what the tradition uses so I used it. Actually, it's both muscular hyperplasia and some measure of hypertrophy as one can expect from doing a physical exercise that works muscles. I didn't know you were a physiologist.

    No, muscle size does increase but not in the dramatic sense you seem to expect of the phrase. I've studied and practiced yoga, shiatsu, rolfing, Alexander technique, and other 'pseudo-sciences' (as you no doubt will call them).

    That says nothing but that you're experiences with the art and with your teachers were a dismal failure. If you really knew all that at the time of your participation, you should have quit and sought instructors who could have explained (and demonstrated) them in the parlance you expect. But apparently you persisted. All you seem to have cultivated is skepticism and a critical nature. Not a fair exchange if you ask me.

    Finally, we get to the gist of the matter. I'm sorry if it seems I was advertising. That was not my intent. If you would put aside your pretensions and preconceptions, you'll see that I am asking if anyone has had similar experiences. The exposition of one's knowledge and achievements almost always appears self-promotional. That's a limitation of language and our understanding of it, I think.

    Yes, you tried it and it was not for you. Again your preconceptions and expectations about the arts betrayed you and they were doomed by you before you had even started. It happens. Get over it.

    I have other discussions with you before, David, and if anything, you are very dogmatic about the way you practice philosophy. You use science as a personal shield. You have become less charitable and open-minded over the years it seems, another consequence of the garbage you fill your mind with. You are not the one I intended to aim this at as you have not been alive long enough nor practiced philosophy long enough to be a master at it.

    And so, I state clearly, I hope: if you who reads this has had any similar 'third stage' experiences, I would like to hear about them. If you would rather not share the experiences on an open forum, please email or message me.

    Why should it be in the 'Play' forum? It says here 'Create', so I created an article. Please move it if you think that is best. Oh, and please stop quoting the whole article. You have made it unpleasant enough without more antics.
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  3. TheOctarineMage added a post in a topic The Third Stage of Hsing-I Chuan   

    Wow, did you have to quote the whole thing, lol? Anyway, I will go out on the limb here and assume when you say 'muscle building' you mean it in an entirely different context that I do. No, it doesn't involve building muscle mass as a body builder would, though some teachers do advocate that since the muscle mass is eventually slowly replaced by sinew in the later stage. My teacher had me climb coconut trees and toss the fruits as far as I could after I got them down, but I think he was just messing with me. It's more in the holding the poses over a length of time and in doing the forms and continuous movements on varying terrains such as on sand or in water. No pushups, jumping jacks, or the like. The regular forms in the beginning are very, very strenuous and demand a lot of energy. It was after my stamina was built up sufficiently before I was taught to link the forms in sets.

    I don't know what you are alluding to when you say 'scientific'. It has to be scientific because otherwise you cannot see the validity of the practice, is that it? Like the man who said, "I will not walk over yonder mountain to see this wondrous thing you claim unless you can prove it to me right now and right here." Well, the arts have progressed far beyond mysticism and parlor tricks. Is that what you meant? Science is indeed great and repeatedly verifiable. How could anyone deny incorporating that into their art?
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  4. TheOctarineMage added a post in a topic The Third Stage of Hsing-I Chuan   

    I started this topic because I am curious to hear of any similar experiences by practitioners of philosophy. I figure the first stage is learning logic and the tools necessary for the practice. The second stage involves practicing it with others. The third stage? You tell me. I would have loved to talk with Wittgenstein about his experiences.
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  5. TheOctarineMage added a topic in Create   

    The Third Stage of Hsing-I Chuan
    Hsing-I Chuan is one of the acknowledged internal martial arts and is sometimes called Mind-Body Boxing or Mind-Body Pugilism. There are three stages of development in this art.

    1) Muscle Building

    In this stage, the practitioner learns the postures and stances and works on developing and refining muscular tissue. He becomes aware of the direct relationship the body has with gravity in terms of mass and weight and force vectors - this is similar to most exacting physical regimens. The mind is trained concurrently by sharpening the focus it requires to make fluid. continuous and deliberate motions with the body. Basic breathing methods are learned which streamline energy consumption and usage. This stage requires an instructor, someone who has gone through the basics and is now at or beyond the second stage. There is more concentration on the internal state of the practitioner than on others around him. This is the science stage as efficiency and economy are the requisites for the next stage.

    2) Sinew Changing

    This stage involves working on the nerveless connective tissue that bind the muscles to the skeletal structure. Muscle mass usually decreases at this stage as more sinew is formed, making the limbs taut like a wound-up spring. More advanced breathing exercises are learned, such as reverse breathing. The individual postures and movements are joined through the forms of movement. Perception is enhanced through the practice of focussing and staying in peripheral vision. The mind is quieted of all activities unrelated to the physical movements. This is the art stage as absolute awareness and perception of the environment are the requisites for the next stage.

    3) Marrow Washing

    This stage can only be achieved by consistent application and practice of the second stage. This is the mystery stage and the experience is different for every practitioner. It jars and 'kneads' or 'massages' the skeletal structure to stimulate the bone marrow to produce more efficient blood cells, the energy carriers of the body. In most cases, this stage is rarely entered except in dire physical circumstances, such as the threat of imminent personal harm or death. However, through moving meditation, the practitioner can evoke this stage intentionally after sufficient practice. This is a formless stage, meaning adherence to the forms is not as critical as in the earlier stages. New schools of thought about the art are spontaneously developed here.

    I can only give some examples of third stage pugilism from my own personal experience. There are times when I feel or hear a snap in my upper neck and others I view begin to seem to move in slow motion. My teacher once told me the snap is caused by the pineal and pituitary glands vibrating and releasing copious amounts of hormones into the bloodstream, though I have never seen physical evidence of his claims. However, the results are spectacular and undeniable. When it occurs in private practice, I find myself linking forms and movements in novel and spontaneous ways because, technically, there are no forms or movements but simply the union of mind, body and my will or intent; I intend something with my mind and the body executes the movements without hindrance.

    I started practicing when I called myself a Taoist at the age of 14. It was taught to me by an aging Japanese who, for the surprise of me, was a master of a Chinese art. I have been practicing daily for 44 years now.
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  6. TheOctarineMage added an answer to a question The Nature of Belief   

    Oh, by the way, The Heretic, I just noticed we both joined this forum on the same day. Somehow I found that humorous.

    Look, I'm not here to bash philosophy or anything else. I'm collecting material for a book I was paid to write. Please help me or get out of my way. Thanks.
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  7. TheOctarineMage added an answer to a question The Nature of Belief   

    The operative keyword in that statement is 'should'. Show me the case where this is exactly so and I will gladly follow. How can any philosopher separate his beliefs from his practice of philosophy? There are many on this forum who are as objective as can be, or so they think, but their beliefs bleed through sooner or later. Granted, philosophy is not a religion, but it can eerily resemble one when propagated. I come here because of those who are aware and caring enough to keep the distinction uppermost in their minds. They are interesting. The material is secondhand knowledge and can or cannot be interesting depending on its presentation.

    Now, can you suggest any articles on this site to me or not? Put aside your personal indignation, O' Philosopher, and answer the query.
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  8. TheOctarineMage added a post in a topic Nietszche and the Nazis   

    Parody of Language said: "There is no such thing as race."

    Tell the aliens that when they eventually arrive. (Just kidding.)

    A belief is such a powerful thing. One can justify nearly anything by merely believing one thing over another. If only more believed what Parody said, it would be interesting to see the consequences and results.
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  9. TheOctarineMage added a post in a topic Mathematical Universe Hypothesis   

    Wow, in some sense, the MWI echoes a lot of what some religions have claimed but could never prove; kinda like "can't see the processes because of the particulates".
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  10. TheOctarineMage added a post in a topic On The Repulsiveness Of Sex   

    Examine closely your beliefs about sex. Now, what rules your reactive behavior about sex? Is it your sex or your beliefs about it? One is learned, the other you were born with.
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  11. TheOctarineMage added a post in a topic Movies With The Best Ending of All Time   

    The King of Hearts, but I was young and impressionable.

    The Holy Mountain, now that I'm old and impressionable.
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  12. TheOctarineMage added an answer to a question how to learn a language   

    In NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming), learning a new language is a see-feel experience like jealousy or spelling. You see the word and its translation then have a feeling about it in the midline section of your body. Try spelling a particularly difficult word you know. If you pay close attention you may notice how its physical analogue appears in the mid section of the body. Meditate on that process and you can refine it until learning the new language becomes easier and easier as you store more and more analogues.

    (Oh, had to add: I know 3 languages and about a dozen dialects.)
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  13. TheOctarineMage added an answer to a question Your very first serious philosophy reading   

    Tao Te Ching, when I was 14, many, many, many moons ago. It changed my life (as most excellent reads do).
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  14. TheOctarineMage added a question in Help   

    The Nature of Belief
    I apologize immediately if I could have searched for this myself on this site. I simply did not have the time to be thorough in my search, thus I ask here.

    Are there any articles or whatever on this site concerning the effects and ramifications of holding certain beliefs? Am I being too vague? In the United States, for example, prevailing beliefs about the elderly - what it is like to be beyond a particular age or age group - directly affect how they are viewed and treated, and how government policies are shaped in accordance with the personal beliefs of those who implement them.

    I occasioned to read an article once on sanity and insanity and the perceptions and belief structures of those lawfully relegated to decide such matters. In it, a clinical researcher posed as a patient in an asylum to experience the system's attitude towards those in its care. Now, it was assumed at the onset that the patients were exactly that, patients in need of psychiatric help or intervention. They obviously were not the doctors and caretakers. Yet, at the end of the researcher's brief sojourn as a patient, he concluded that there was no real valid way to determine who was insane or not at the facility, for all (clinicians and patients) exhibited some degree of either state at any point or another.

    Philosophy is a belief system. For as many as there are who can argue well its points and counterpoints, there are more of those who do not give one whit about its relevance or importance. I am looking for detailed material that expound laboriously on the effects of holding on to one philosophical belief system as opposed to any other.

    Thank you.
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  15. TheOctarineMage added a post in a topic World as mental representation?   

    I agree with much of what you say, Thinker. Sounds a lot like modern radical constructivist thought. Indeed the environment as we perceive it is our invention. The response of a nerve cell does not encode the physical nature of the agents that caused its response. Encoded is only "how much" at that point on the body, but not "what". The senses are blind as to the quality of their stimulation, responsive only as to their quantity. This is not surprising as their is really no light or color "out there", there are only electromagnetic waves. Since the physical nature of stimulus - its quality - is not encoded into nervous activity, the question remains as to how our brain supplies the tremendous variety of this colorful world we experience, awake or asleep. I understand this as the 'problem of cognition", that ongoing search for an understanding of the cognitive processes. The way a question is asked determines the way in which an answer may be found. I define cognition as a never-ending recursive process of computation. (I use compute here in its original sense meaning to reflect, to contemplate, things in concert.) It is expressed in the postulate of cognitive homeostasis which states that the nervous system is organized (or organizes itself) so that it computes a more or less stable reality. This self-regulation stipulates autonomy for every living organism - they regulate their own regulation. Now, in that regard, the world as a mental representation is fairly accurate, but in finding the world as we do, we forget all we did to find it as such. In contrast with what may be assumed, a description, when carefully inspected, reveals the properties of the observer, who distinguishes himself precisely by distinguishing what apparently he is not, the world.
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