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  1. sushil_yadav added a post in a topic Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment   

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    Story of Pseudo Environmentalism in Industrial Society.
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    A Serial Killer with endless supply of ammunition goes on the rampage in the city.....The Police are informed.....They arrive on the scene.....They do not try to stop or capture the shooter.....They do not try to kill or incapacitate the shooter.....They allow him to continue shooting......They give him full liberty to move around all over the city.

    The Police focus on the victims of shooting.....They take them to Hospitals and try to save them with the help of best Technology / Health Care.....The Government sets up thousands of Organizations to do research on how the Whites can be saved, How the Blacks can be saved, How the Asians can be saved, How the Young can be saved, How the Elderly can be saved.....The Government gives Billions of Dollars of Grant to "Think Tanks" and NGO's to find out how the victims can be saved.....People of the city engage in Billions of pages of Discussion, Debate and Argument to find a solution to the problem.

    This is not the story of the Mass Shooter.....This is the story of Environmentalism in Industrial Society.

    Environment is being destroyed by Industrial Activity........Environmental Activists and Organizations are trying to save environment without stopping Industrial Activity

    One group is trying to save Forests......The second group is trying to save Rivers......The third group is trying to save Oceans......The fourth group is trying to make the Air clean......The fifth group is trying to save Tigers and Elephants......The sixth group is trying to save Whales and Dolphins.

    Industrial Technology has destroyed environment........Industrial Society is trying to save environment by changing the Technology.

    Bring this Technology, Bring that Technology........Bring this Technology, Bring that Technology.

    Height of Insanity and Abnormality......This is like trying to save a victim of shooting not by stopping the shooting but by changing the gun.

    People who are trying to save environment in Industrial Society without stopping all Industrial Activity deserve the Nobel Prize for Lunacy.

    Why don't people realize the futility and absurdity of their efforts......It is impossible to save animals, trees, air, water and land without stopping all Industrial Activity.

    What is the point in saving a few Dogs, Cats, Whales, Tigers and Elephants when Industrial Society is killing billions of animals in Industrial Slaughter Houses and billions of Wild Animals in Forests by destroying Forests with Industrial Activities like Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Construction Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry, millions of kilometers of Rail and Road Networks and ever expanding Towns and Cities.......Industrial Society is also killing billions of fish in the oceans with Industrial Fishing and through discharge of billions of tonnes of Industrial Waste into oceans which has made them poisonous, acidic, warmer and created oxygen-deprived dead zones in the oceans.

    It is impossible to save Air, water and Land without stopping all Industrial Activity because Industrial Activity is killing them with trillions of tonnes of Metal waste, Plastic waste, Gaseous waste, Chemical waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste.......Industrial Activity produces trillions of tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Waste and there are only three places on earth where all this waste can go....Air, water and Soil.....There is no fourth place on earth where this waste can go...... It is impossible for Rivers, Oceans, Atmosphere and Soil to be clean in Industrial Society.

    This planet can only sustain a Hunter_Gatherer Society or an Agrarian Society......Not an Industrial Society.

    All Environmentalism is Pseudo-Environmentalism in Industrial Society.......It is impossible to save environment in an Industrial Society.

    People who pretend they are saving environment in Industrial Society are even more insane, abnormal and criminal than people who are destroying the environment.

    It is impossible to save environment in Industrial Society because Industrialization itself is the cause of environmental destruction.........In a non-industrial society environmentalism was not even needed.......In the absence of Industrial Activity environment got saved automatically because only limited destruction of environment was possible without Industrial Machines.
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    What is the Result of 50 years of Environmentalism/ Pseudo Environmentalism in Industrial Society???

    Industrial Society has been killing millions of times more Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land than Pre-Industrial Society every day for several decades.

    Industrial Society has been killing millions of acres of Forests with Industrial Activity every day for several decades.

    Industrial Society has been killing Billions of Animals in Industrial Slaughter Houses every day for several decades.

    Industrial Society has been killing millions of Wild Animals by destroying the Forests where they live with Industrial Activity every day for several decades.

    Industrial Society has been killing Air, Water and Soil with billions of tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste every day for several decades.....Industrial Society has been killing Rivers, Oceans, Air/ Atmosphere and Soil/ Land with Billions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic waste, Gaseous waste, Chemical Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste every day for several decades.

    Industrial Society has been killing Millions of Acres of Fertile Soil with Cement, Concrete and Asphalt every day for several decades.

    All this Killing / Destruction was absent in Pre-Industrial Society without any Environmentalism.
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    All Environmentalism in Industrial Society is Pseudo Environmentalism.

    No environment is getting saved in Industrial Society.....Not an iota of environment is getting saved.

    How can environment ever be saved in Industrial Society when Industrial Activity itself is the cause of environmental destruction....Environment can only be saved in a Non-Industrial Society.

    Industrial Society has created hundreds of unnecessary / futile occupations to solve the problems created by Industrialization.....Environmental Activism is one of them.....If thousands of organizations and millions of activists are trying to save environment in Industrial Society it does not mean that environment is getting saved…..There have been three human societies on earth .....Hunter_Gatherer, Agrarian and Industrial.....In Hunter_Gatherer Society there was no Urban Population, entire population was engaged in searching for food.....In Agrarian Society less than 2% of population was Urban, Most of the population was engaged in producing food.....In Industrial Society 50% of world population is producing food for entire population , the remaining 50% population is Urban which has created hundreds of unnecessary occupations to keep itself occupied..... People would go crazy without work…. Environmentalism / Environmental Activism is one such profession [occupation]......[Other unnecessary and destructive professions in Industrial Society include Manufacturing and Marketing of thousands of consumer goods and services, Jobs in Tourism Industry, Entertainment Industry, Sports Industry, Military Industrial Complex and several other jobs]....No Environmentalism was needed in Hunter_Gatherer and Agrarian Societies because in the absence of Industrial Activity only limited destruction of environment was possible, so environment got saved automatically.

    If billions of pages of environmental discussion is taking place in Industrial Society it does not mean that environment is getting saved......Endless Discussion, Debate and Argument is a Disease and Insanity of Industrial Society that invented the Printing Press, Radio, Television and Internet.....Animal Species and Hunter_Gatherer Society did not save environment through discussion.....They didn't even have a language for discussion…..Billions of pages of Discussion, Debate and Argument is another harmful waste of Industrial Society just like Billions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste.

    All Environmentalism in Industrial Society is Pseudo Environmentalism.

    No environment is getting saved in Industrial Society.....Not an iota of environment is getting saved.
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    The one and only cause of environmental destruction is Industrialization.

    Overpopulation and Overconsumerism are consequences / by-products of Industrialization.

    Without Industrialization there would be no overpopulation and no overconsumerism.

    Industrialization, Overpopulation and Overconsumerism happen together.......Industrialization, Overpopulation and Overconsumerism happen at the same time.

    It is Industrialization that has led to a population of 7 billion.....Not overbreeding.

    The entire world was overbreeding before Industrialization.....The entire world is underbreeding after Industrialization.

    There used to be 5 - 15 children per family all over the world before Industrialization and yet world population reached only 1 billion till 1800 AD......After Industrialization the family size reduced drastically, most families are now having 1 - 4 children and yet world population jumped from 1 billion to 7 billion in just about 200 years.

    If Industrialization had not happened world population would be less than 2 billion today.

    India and China have large populations today because they started with larger populations thousands of years ago since ancient civilizations thrived in these regions.....What was the population of Europe and America 2000 years ago????.....Was it comparable with the population of India and China???? .....And once again, In the absence of Industrialization India and China would not be having large populations today.

    If Industrialization had not happened, High death rate would have kept population of the world under control....Diseases caused by virus and bacteria would have kept population under control.....Feeding capacity of soil would have kept population under control....Shortage of food and water would have kept population under control.....Harsh Climatic Conditions would have kept population under control - People would not have been able to live in regions that are too hot or too cold.

    If Industrialization had not happened this planet would have been in very good condition today.....There would be no overpopulation, no overconsumerism and only limited urbanization.

    A Non-Industrial Society would have destroyed some ecosystems on the land [Forests] but Marine Ecology [Oceans] would have been almost 100% safe today......Forest Cover would be much greater than what it is now....Millions of species on the land and in the sea would not have been decimated and would be thriving with very healthy populations......This planet would be free of Billions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste.....The Oceans wouldn't have become Acidic, Warmer and Oxygen Deprived because of Industrial Waste.

    It is consumerism that destroys environment, Not population.

    A Hunter_Gatherer Society of 7 billion would have destroyed very little environment...... because it would have destroyed environment only for food......not for thousands of consumer goods and services.

    An Agrarian Society of 7 billion would have destroyed very little environment [compared to an Industrial Society of 7 billion]...... because it would have destroyed environment only for food, clothing and shelter.......not for thousands of consumer goods and services.

    [by the way, A Hunter_Gatherer Society would have never reached a population of 7 billion......An Agrarian Society would have never reached a population of 7 billion]

    Environment has been destroyed by Industrialization/ Consumerism…….Not by Population/ Overpopulation.

    Total World Population has not increased ……It has decreased……In fact total world population has been decimated.

    When we talk about population we should take into account population of all animal species on earth, not just human population.

    Industrial Society has decimated millions of Animal Species……Increase in human population has coincided with decrease/ decimation of millions of animal species.... The total burden of population on this planet has not increased…..It has decreased.

    Industrial Society has decimated millions of other species......There was a time when the combined population of other animal species was much greater than present human population.....and we don't even need to include smaller animals in this count.....The combined population of big animals alone whose size and weight was equivalent to or greater than man was much greater than current human population of 7 billion.

    The amount of food this animal population was eating was much greater than the food consumed by humans today.......Yet millions of animal species did not destroy environment and lived sustainably on earth for millions of years......because they destroyed environment only for food and not for thousands of consumer goods and services.

    If animals had started a consumerist "Industrial Society" millions of years ago they would have destroyed all ecosystems millions of years ago.

    The entire world has been trying to control human population for 50 years and these efforts should / will continue in future.....so where is the problem with population?????

    It is so ridiculous of Industrial Society to complain about overpopulation when it itself is the cause of overpopulation......It is so ridiculous of Industrial Society to make attempts to control population while promoting Consumerism, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP exponentially.

    This planet can only sustain a Non-Industrial Society.
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    If Urban Society stops all its supplies to Villages......Electricity, Oil, Machinery and Equipment, Villagers will survive forever.

    If Villages stop all their supplies to Cities......Food Grains and Vegetables, Urban Population will die within a month.

    [ Villagers need Electricity, Oil, Machinery and Equipment to produce food for the Urban Population , They would not need these things to produce food for themselves]

    Urban Population is engaged in Unnecessary Work, Meaningless Work, Futile Work and Destructive Work which has led to destruction of most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems on earth.

    For millions of years "Searching For Food" / "Producing Food" were the primary occupations of almost the entire human population in Hunter_Gatherer and Agrarian Society.

    There is Zero chance of saving the little environment that is left without fixing the problem of "Urban Population".
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    Animal Species had Zero Percent Urban Population.......Hunter_Gatherer Society had Zero Percent Urban Population.......Agrarian Society had less than Two Percent Urban Population.......All these societies sustained for millions of years collectively.

    The current Industrial Society which has 50% Urban Population worldwide has destroyed most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems in just 250 years after Industrial Revolution.......Industrial Activity has been promoted by Urban Population......Industrial Activity has been promoted by people who do not produce food.

    This planet can sustain Animal Species.....It can sustain Hunter_Gatherer Human Society......It can sustain Agrarian Human Society......It cannot sustain Industrial Human Society.

    This planet can only sustain food producing societies where almost the entire population is engaged in food production......It cannot sustain an Industrial Society where 50% of world population is growing food for entire population and the remaining 50% living in cities is promoting Industrial Activity.

    Animals saved environment for millions of years because they destroyed it only for food.....Hunter_Gatherer Society saved environment because it destroyed environment only for food.....Agrarian Society saved environment because it destroyed environment only for food, clothing and shelter.

    Industrial Society has destroyed most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems because it destroyed environment for "Thousands of consumer goods and services" in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

    In the Animal Kingdom, Hunter_Gatherer Society and Agrarian Society almost the entire population was engaged in "Searching for Food" / "Growing Food".

    It is the Urban Population that is engaged in and promoting Industrial Activity ......Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Transportation Industry, Construction Industry, Recycling Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Millions of kilometers of Rail & Road network, Air Routes and Shipping Lanes…..They all destroy environment......All Industrial Activity must be stopped.

    Food, clothing and shelter......These are the maximum number of things this planet can provide to humans......The only way to save the remaining environment is by reorganizing the entire population so that food production remains the only primary activity just like it was for millions of years before Industrialization.
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    This planet cannot sustain an Industrial / Urban Society......The problem is not Capitalism, The problem is Industrialization / Urbanization.......The solution is not Communism or Socialism, The solution is Non-Industrial / Non-Urban Society.

    Capitalism, Communism or Socialism does not matter at all........What matters is percentage of Urban Population......A Socialist Industrial Society with 80% Urban Population will be as Harmful, Destructive and Evil as a Capitalist Industrial Society with 80% Urban Population...... A Communist Industrial Society with 80% Urban Population will be as Harmful, Destructive and Evil as a Capitalist Industrial Society with 80% Urban Population.

    Urban Population is responsible for consumerism.......Urban Population does not produce Food.....It produces thousands of Consumer Goods and Services.

    Consumerism is directly proportional to Percentage of Urban Population.

    Saving environment in Industrial Society is an impossibility......No Industrial Society can save environment.......Communist or Socialist Industrial Societies cannot be less destructive than Capitalist Industrial Societies.

    There cannot be any sustainable Industrial Society........The fault does not lie in Capitalism.....The fault lies in Industrialization.....All Industrial Societies are the same.....All Industrial Societies are equally harmful, destructive and evil.

    Destruction of environment is guaranteed in Industrial Society......The debate over Capitalism, Communism and Socialism in the context of Environmental Crisis is meaningless and absurd.

    Industrialization , Urbanization and Consumerism go hand in hand......They happen together.

    Today 50% of world population is Urban, living in cities...... 50% of world population is producing food for entire population and the remaining 50% population living in Cities is primarily engaged in production and marketing of thousands of consumer goods and services........Urban population is not producing food, it is producing consumer goods and services.......Even if the entire world is made Communist or Socialist it is not going to bring about any change in consumerism because the percentage of Urban Population will remain the same and it will continue producing and marketing thousands of consumer goods and services.

    In America 90 - 95% of population is Urban......That is why consumerism is so rampant in the US......Even if America is made Communist or Socialist it is not going to reduce consumerism because the percentage of Urban Population would still remain the same.

    In Europe 80 - 90% of population is Urban.

    In China and India consumerism has risen exponentially with the increase in percentage of Urban Population.

    Capitalism, Communism or Socialism does not matter.......What matters is Industrialization and Urbanization which results in Consumerism.

    This planet cannot sustain Industrial Urban Population.......This planet cannot sustain a society that does not produce its own food.

    This planet can sustain a Hunter_Gatherer Society or an Agrarian Society where almost the entire population is engaged in "searching for food" / producing food......This planet cannot sustain an Industrial Society where 50% of population is producing food for entire population and the remaining 50% population is producing thousands of consumer goods and services.
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    Industrial Society has existed for barely 250 years which comes to almost Zero Percent of Total Human Existence on earth....Humans have spent more than 99.99% of their time on earth in Non-Industrial Societies [Hunter_Gatherer and Agrarian].....Industrial Society is an Anomaly....Only Non-Industrial Societies are sustainable.

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  2. sushil_yadav added a post in a topic Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment   

    Industrial Society is a lunatic society that is trying to save environment not by stopping Industrial Activity but by changing the technology.

    Bring this technology, Bring that technology..........Bring this technology, Bring that technology.

    A man is shooting someone with a gun........Some people are trying to save the victim.......They plead with the man asking him to save the victim by stopping the shooting.

    The man says.....Don't worry......I will save him by changing technology......He replaces the old gun with a new one ........And continues to shoot.
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    Environment has been destroyed by Industrial Activity........Trying to save environment without stopping Industrial Activity is like ......

    Trying to save a victim of shooting by shooting him even more.

    Trying to save a victim of stabbing by stabbing him even more.

    Trying to save a victim of poisoning by giving him even more poison.

    Height of Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality.......You cannot save environment by destroying more of it.

    Industrial Society has been destroying Extra environment for 250 years........It has been destroying environment for "thousands of consumer goods and services" in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

    You cannot save a person after killing him.......You cannot save environment after it has been killed by Industrial Activity.

    The entire Industrial Society deserves the Nobel Prize for Lunacy for pretending that environment is getting saved when the reality is that Industrial Society has been destroying extra environment after industrialization and has destroyed so much extra environment in 250 years that there is hardly any environment left to save.
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    Discussion cannot save environment........Money cannot save environment......Technology cannot save environment......Environmental Organizations cannot save environment.......Activism cannot save environment.

    Animal Species and Hunter_Gatherer Society did not save environment through discussion......They did not even have a language for discussing environmental issues.

    Animal species and Hunter_Gatherer Society did not save environment with money ........They had no money.

    Animal species, Hunter_Gatherer Society and Agrarian Society did not save environment with modern technology........They had no modern technology......It was absence of modern technology that saved environment in pre-industrial societies........Over-exploitation of ecosystems became possible only because of Industrial Machines.

    Animal species, Hunter_Gatherer Society and Agrarian Society did not save environment with the help of Environmental Organizations or Activism........They had no environmental organizations.

    Animal Species did not destroy environment for millions of years.......Hunter Gatherer Society destroyed very little environment during a million years of existence......Agrarian Society destroyed very little environment [compared to Industrial Society] over a period of 10,000 years.

    There is only one way to save environment.......Destroy less......Minimize the list of things that are destroying environment.
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    Promoters of Growth rate, Economy Rate and GDP are the biggest terrorists on earth.......Millions of times bigger terrorists than Taliban and Al Qaeda.

    Our society has placed a bounty of millions of dollars on the heads of Taliban and Al Qaeda

    No bounty on the heads of people who promoted Industrialization, Consumerism, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP that has led to destruction of most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems on earth???

    It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that produced Trillions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste that has contaminated and poisoned the entire planet......It was Industrial Society.

    It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that decimated millions of animal and plant species......It was Industrial Society.

    It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that killed billions of acres of fertile soil with cement, concrete and asphalt......It was Industrial Society.

    It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that decimated fish in the oceans......It was Industrial Fishing.

    It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that killed millions of people in wars.......It was Military Industrial Complex.

    Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.

    For millions of years before industrialization the list of things that destroyed environment never exceeded food, clothing and shelter.......Animals destroyed environment for food......Hunter_Gatherer Society destroyed environment for food......Agrarian Society destroyed environment for food, clothing and shelter.

    Development is Destruction........Development is Destruction.

    "Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"
    These are figures of "Ecocide".
    These are figures of "Crimes against Nature".
    These are figures of "Destruction of Ecosystems".
    These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".

    Promoters of Growth Rate, Economy Rate & GDP are the biggest Killers, Murderers & Terrorists on earth.
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    Environment has been destroyed by Cities.......Environment has been destroyed by Urban Dwellers.........City People are doing extra work which has led to exponential "extra destruction of environment".......... Urban Dwellers are the destroyers of Forests, Villages, Tribal Land, Rivers, Oceans and Atmosphere.

    For millions of years "searching for food" / “producing food” were the primary activities of animal species, hunter_gatherer society and agrarian society.........and that is why they sustained for millions of years because they destroyed very little environment compared to Industrial Society.......For millions of years the list of things that destroyed environment never exceeded food, clothing and shelter.

    In Industrial Society 50% of world population is growing food for 100% of population and the remaining 50% living in cities is primarily engaged in production and marketing of "thousands of consumer goods and services".

    It is impossible to save environment as long as Urban Population exists in this world.

    It is impossible to save environment as long as Urban Population is engaged in production and marketing of consumer goods and services.

    It is impossible to save environment as long as Urban Population is promoting Industrial Activity.

    Industrial Activity is directly proportional to percentage of Urban Population.

    Consumerism is directly proportional to percentage of Urban Population.

    Destruction of environment is directly proportional to percentage of Urban Population.

    Most of the people who do not produce food are engaged in production and marketing of consumer goods and services.

    Most of the urban population is engaged in production and marketing of consumer goods and services.

    In America 90 - 95% of population is urban......In Europe 80 – 90% of population is urban......this is why consumerism is so rampant in US and West.

    World wide the percentage of urban population is about 50%.......If the entire world is made communist or socialist it is not going to stop/ reduce consumerism as long as the percentage of urban population remains the same.

    As long as Urban Population exists all Industrial Activities will continue to exist and expand........ Energy Generation Industry, Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Construction Industry, Oil Drilling Industry, Oil Refining Industry, Transportation Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road Network, Millions of kilometers of Air Routes and Shipping Lanes.....all these Industrial Activities will continue to exist and expand.

    This planet cannot sustain a society that does not produce its own food.

    This planet cannot sustain Urban population.

    Environment has been destroyed primarily by Urban Population......Environment has been destroyed primarily by population that does not produce food.

    This planet can only sustain a society in which [almost] the entire population is engaged in producing food.

    One profession means destruction of environment for one thing.......Thousands of professions means destruction of environment for thousands of things.

    Animals did not destroy Environment for millions of years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.

    Hunter Gatherer Society did not destroy Environment for a million years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.

    Agrarian Society caused very limited destruction of environment over 10,000 years [compared to Industrial Society].......because their activity was limited to food, clothing and shelter.

    Industrial Society has destroyed most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems in just 250 years......because it has destroyed environment for "thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter".

    The list of unnecessary and destructive work in Industrial Society includes......Manufacturing and Marketing of thousands of "Consumer Goods" and Services, Tourism Industry, Entertainment Industry, Sports Industry, Military Industrial Complex, All kinds of unnecessary Research .....and lots of other work.

    Out of the population that does not produce Food, the maximum number of people - a few billion people are engaged in Production and Marketing of "Consumer Goods" and Services. Industrial Activity for production of "consumer goods" and services is the biggest destroyer of environment.

    Millions of people are working in Sports Industry......Environment is destroyed to manufacture millions of tonnes of Sports Equipment......Millions of Trees have been cut down and billions of acres of fertile soil has been killed with Cement & Concrete to build millions of Stadiums.

    Millions of people are working in Tourism Industry......Tourism is all about Travelling which promotes Transportation Industry that destroys Environment......Millions of kilometers of Road and Rail network cutting through Forests destroying Trees and Wildlife.....Millions of kilometers of Shipping Lanes torturing and killing Fish.....Millions of kilometers of Air Routes killing the Air with millions of tonnes of exhaust gases.

    Millions of people are working in Entertainment Industry........Environment has been destroyed to construct millions of Buildings that are used for entertainment and to produce millions of tonnes of Electronic Equipment that provides entertainment.

    Millions of people are working for "Military Industrial Complex" producing and selling billions of tonnes of weapons all over the world...... Environment is destroyed when weapons are produced and when they are used.

    Millions of City People are engaged in other unnecessary work that destroys even more environment.

    Food, clothing and shelter......these are the maximum number of things this planet can provide to humans.

    A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because Industrialization has increased world population to 7 billion.......World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in just about 200 years after industrialization.......In the absence of industrialization world population would have been only a small fraction of 7 billion today.

    If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that are destroying environment.

    At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.

    We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list......which means Thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years of Total Human Existence on earth .........these have to be eliminated or minimized.

    We are approaching Environmental Apocalypse.......The only way to save the remaining environment is by stopping Industrial Activity for production of consumer goods and services immediately........Industrial Activity must be limited to food, clothing and shelter.......and even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.


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    You are right.......Progress is Destruction, Growth is Destruction, Development is Destruction.

    "Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"
    These are figures of "Ecocide".
    These are figures of "crimes against Nature".
    These are figures of "destruction of Ecosystems".
    These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".


    There is only one cause of environmental destruction......Industrialization.

    Overpopulation and Overconsumerism are only consequences/ by-products of Industrialization.

    Overconsumerism is quite obviously a consequence of Industrialization..... Industrial consumer goods and services would not exist without Industrial Activity.

    Overpopulation is also a by-product of Industrialization. The entire world was overbreeding until the middle years of 20th century.....even Western Countries had 5 - 12 children per family[and even more].....and yet population of the world remained low before industrialization because of high death rate, lower life span and shortage of food and water. It was only 1 billion in 1800 AD. India and China have large populations today because they started with larger populations thousands of years ago, since ancient civilizations thrived in these regions. What was the population of Europe/ America/ West 2000 years ago????......Was it comparable to eastern population of India and China????

    Industrialization is the cause of overpopulation and overconsumerism.

    Moreover, Environment has been destroyed by Industrialization/ Consumerism…….Not by Population/ Overpopulation.

    Total World Population has not increased ……It has decreased……In fact total world population has been decimated.

    When we talk of population we should take into account population of all animal species, not just human population.

    Industrial Society has decimated millions of Animal Species……Increase in human population has coincided with decrease/ decimation of millions of animal species. The total burden of population on this planet has not increased…..It has decreased.

    Industrial Society has decimated millions of other species.....but there was a time when the combined population of other animal species was much greater than present human population.....and we don't even need to include smaller animals in this count.....the combined population of big animals alone whose size and weight was equivalent to or greater than man was much greater than current human population of 7 billion.

    The amount of food this animal population was eating was much greater than the food consumed by humans today.......Yet millions of animal species did not destroy environment and lived sustainably on earth for millions of years......because they destroyed environment only for food and not for thousands of consumer goods and services.

    If animals had started a consumerist "Industrial Society" millions of years ago they would have destroyed all ecosystems millions of years ago.

    The entire world has been trying to control human population for 50 years and these efforts should / will continue in future.....so where is the problem with population?????

    What is the cause of human overpopulation??????......It is Industrialization......World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion today ........In the absence of Industrialization world population would only be a small fraction of 7 billion today.

    It is not population that destroys environment......It is lifestyle.......The combined population of millions of animal species was much greater than present human population.......and yet they did not destroy environment for millions of years because they destroyed environment only for Food.......not for Thousands of Consumer Goods.

    The cause of Environmental Destruction is Industrialization / Consumerism.........Not population / overpopulation.

    A Hunter_Gatherer Society of 7 billion would not destroy environment [And a Hunter_Gatherer Society would never reach a population of 7 billion]

    An Agrarian Society of 7 billion would cause much lesser environmental destruction than an Industrial Society of 7 billion [And an Agrarian Society would never reach a population of 7 billion]

    Industrialization is the cause of Human Overpopulation and Overconsumerism

    It is so ridiculous of Industrial Society to complain about overpopulation when it itself is the cause of overpopulation......It is so ridiculous of Industrial Society to make attempts to control population while promoting Consumerism, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP exponentially.

    Height of Insanity!

    Industrial Activity for production of Consumer Goods must stop immediately.......Human work must be limited to Food, Clothing and Shelter.

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    For the last 50 years Intellectuals have been debating what is good for Environment......Capitalist Industrial Society, Communist Industrial Society or Socialist Industrial Society?

    This is like debating what is good for people.....Capitalist Poison, Communist Poison or Socialist Poison.

    Poison kills people.....it does'nt matter who made it ......Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

    Industrial Activity kills ecosystems.....It does'nt matter which system runs it.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

    All Industrial Activity destroys environment......Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Transportation Industry, Construction Industry, Recycling Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Millions of kilometers of Rail & Road network and Shipping Lanes…..they all destroy environment….. It does'nt matter which system runs it.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

    American Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems…..Russian Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems……Chinese Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems…….Indian Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems……Every Industrial Society destroys ecosystems…… It does'nt matter which system runs it.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

    In just 250 years Industrial Society has destroyed 75 - 90% of Forests, Wild Animals and Fish Population......Population of Lions, Tigers and Elephants is down to 2 - 5% of what it was 100 years ago......Population of Large Fish in Oceans is down to 10% of what it was 100 years ago.....Industrial Society has poisoned the entire planet with Trillions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste, Nuclear Waste.....It has killed Trillions of Animals in Industrial Slaughter Houses and billions of acres of Fertile Soil with Cement And Concrete.

    Animals did not destroy Environment for millions of years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.

    Hunter Gatherer Society did not destroy Environment for a million years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.

    Agrarian Society caused very limited destruction of environment over 10,000 years[compared to Industrial Society].......because their activity was limited to food, clothing and shelter.

    Industrial Society has destroyed almost all Ecosystems in just 250 years......because it is destroying environment for thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

    Industrial Activity for production of Consumer Goods must stop immediately.......Human work must be limited to Food, Clothing and Shelter......And even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.

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    Do you come to a discussion board to write a meaningless two line statement?

    Did you write anything of value that could lead to a conversation?

    Did you comment on any of the points I have mentioned in my previous post?


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    Industrial Society is speeding up the demise of ecosystems by providing jobs to all - education to all.

    After Industrial Revolution work turned into extra work, over work, unnecessary work, destructive work.

    Most of the people living in cities are engaged in the destructive cycle of
    production of consumer goods, selling of consumer goods, buying of
    consumer goods.This planet is very small - just 40,000 km in
    circumference. Today 50% of world population is living in cities - and
    this percentage is increasing day by day.

    Provide jobs to all?
    Provide education to all? - oh yes, provide jobs/education to all and
    very soon the human species will go out of existence.

    The entire education system is promoting consumerism, extra work, over work, unnecessary work, destructive work.

    People who are getting education in technology/ engineering.... are engaged in production of consumer goods.

    People who are getting education in the fields of business, finance, MBA....are engaged in selling of consumer goods.

    Most of the people getting education in Arts subjects are also engaged in
    selling of consumer goods and services - sales and marketing jobs.

    If we destroy ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter, health-care the ecosystems will last longer. If we destroy ecosystems for consumer goods in addition to food, clothing, shelter, health-care the ecosystems will finish much sooner.

    Industrial Society has destroyed necessary things [animals, trees, air, water,land] for making unnecessary things [consumer goods].

    By providing jobs to all - education to all, Industrial Society is destroying the very things that created and sustained all life on earth for millions of years.

    Industrial Society is a curse on this planet.



    What would happen to your home if 1000 people entered and started doing work continuously - 24 X 7 - picking up things already lying in the house, breaking them up and making new things out of them without stopping?

    A similar thing is happening to the planet - 6.8 billion people
    continuously engaging in work - destroying the ecosystems moment by
    moment.

    Man started destroying "extra" after Industrial Revolution. This "extra"
    destruction has risen exponentially in the last 50 years.

    Work has turned into overwork, unnecessary work, destructive work. People who are working to provide food, clothing, shelter and healthcare are doing work - rest of the population is engaged in overwork, unnecessary work, destructive work.

    Ecosystems are not consumer goods that can be manufactured / created by MultiNational Corporations. Who can undo the damage that has been done to ecosystems by billions of people over a period of 200 - 250 years?



    Industrial Society has killed billions of acres of fertile soil by covering it with cement and concrete.This is insanity of the highest degree - insanity raised to the power of infinity.We
    have got a very small planet. On this small planet two-thirds of
    surface area is water. Only one-third is land - and this includes vast
    areas of land that are not fertile - deserts, rocky
    mountains, ice/ glaciers. There is very little surface area on
    earth which is fertile. It is this fertile soil that has produced food
    for millions of species that have lived on land for millions of years. Killing billions of acres of fertile soil is insanity of the highest degree - insanity raised to the power of infinity.The punishment is coming - very soon - punishment of the highest degree - punishment raised to the power of infinity.



    "Green Industry", "Green Technology", "Green Development".

    These are contradictory terms – these are oxymorons.
    Industrialization can never be green – it is impossible.

    Industry produces three kinds of waste - solid, liquid and gaseous.

    There are only three places on earth where this waste can go - air, water, land.

    There is no fourth place on earth where Industrial waste can go.

    Industrial Society has produced billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous waste - billions of tonnes of metal waste, chemical waste, plastic waste, eWaste, nuclear waste.........

    This waste has killed, polluted and poisoned rivers, lakes, oceans, underground water, the soil/ land, the air/ sky.

    Industrialization can never be green – it is impossible.



    We have created a society that rapes, plunders and exploits "Mother Earth" 365 days of the year - and then celebrates Earth Day.

    When someone destroys the home of a human being it is considered a crime and the accused is sent to prison.

    When the human species collectively destroys the homes [ecosystems] of millions of other species it is called Progress, Growth, Development.

    The police, the law, the judiciary are trying to catch a few criminals - they do not realize the entire Industrial Society is criminal.

    Psychologists and Psychiatrists are trying to classify a few people as abnormal - they do not realize the entire Industrial Society is abnormal.



    What is most amazing about the issue of sustainability is the fact that modern society is trying to sustain the unsustainable - it is trying to sustain a consumerist system which has existed for almost zero percent of human existence on earth. The present consumerist lifestyle has existed for about 100 years. If we com...pare this with the total duration of human existence on earth it comes to almost zero percent.

    The two things that have destroyed Environment are - Overpopulation and Overconsumerism.

    Science, Technology and Industrialization are responsible for both these problems. World population was less than 1 billion in the year 1800. Nature had its way of controlling population through disease and death caused by bacteria and virus. When man made medicines/ antibiotics he created disaster - population increased very rapidly. In the absence of "Industrial Agriculture" the feeding capacity of soil would have kept population under control. If Industrial Revolution had not happened, environmental destruction due to production of consumer goods would not exist. In the absence of Science, Technology and "Industrial Revolution" we would not be facing the two problems that have caused destruction of ecosystems - overpopulation and overconsumerism.

    If "Industrial Revolution" had not happened what would be the scenario today?

    The feeding capacity of soil would have kept population under control.

    Diseases caused by virus and bacteria would have kept population under control.

    Maybe I would'nt be existing today - and billions of others may not have existed - but millions/ billions of humans would exist [just like they existed before Industrialization]

    Most ecosystems would be hundreds of times/ thousands of times in better shape than today.

    Millions of other species that have been decimated by Industrial Society would be existing in very healthy numbers - their population levels thousands of times greater than what they are now.

    Providing food, clothing, shelter and healthcare is good. But did "Industrial Society" stop at that?

    Do we have an Industrial Society that only provides food, clothing, shelter and healthcare to people?

    No - the jokers tried to sell hundreds of consumer goods to all citizens of Industrial Society. They tried to make all people consumerists.

    Industrial Society started destroying ecosystems for "consumer goods" in addition to destroying them for food, clothing and shelter.

    You cannot do this on a small planet that is just 40,000 km in circumference. If you live this way you end up destroying all ecosystems - you end up decimating all other species - you end up destroying animals, trees, air, water and land - the very things that created and sustained all life on earth.



    The earth is sick.

    Ecosystems are dying.

    Animals, trees, air, water and land are dying.

    People say - why bother, it was meant to happen this way, nature will take care of itself.

    When people fall sick - they rush to the doctor to save themselves.

    When people fall sick - they rush to the hospital to save themselves.

    Insane, abnormal, selfish, criminal human species.



    Almost every country has been claiming its green cover is increasing.

    How can this ever be true?

    A fully grown tree is cut down in seconds/ minutes.

    It takes 20 years for a tree to grow fully.

    The rate of destruction of fully grown trees is hundreds of thousands
    of times greater than the rate of replacement of fully grown trees.

    And only a small percentage of trees that are planted survive to grow into healthy adult trees.

    And even if you manage to replace trees how are you going to replace
    the population of millions of species of animals, birds and insects
    that lived in the forest and died when the forest was cut down.

    Secondly where are you planting new trees? You can plant new trees on forest land only if forest land remains forest land.

    But this is not the case.

    We have got a very small planet whose circumference is just 40,000 km.
    On this small planet two-thirds of surface area is water. Included in
    the remaining land area are deserts, rocky mountains and glaciers which
    do not support vegetation.

    If the soil is fertile and gets rain it will grow forests, trees,
    plants, vegetation by itself. This is how nature grew all the forests
    in this world.

    Before the arrival of man all the land that could grow forests had forests on it.

    Then the genius human species arrived on the scene.

    First he cut down forests for fire, then he cut down forests for
    agriculture and villages. After Industrial Revolution forests were cut
    down for towns and cities, for setting up industries/ factories, for
    mining and extraction of raw material/minerals, for railways, for road
    network.

    So once the forest is cut down the land is taken up for agriculture,
    for cattle grazing, for industry, for towns and cities, for rail and
    road network.

    So where are the new trees being planted? Where are they growing up?

    How can green cover ever increase?

    Lies, lies, lies .........blatant lies.

    The rate of destruction of forests has risen exponentially after Industrial Revolution.

    One can know the truth by looking at the satellite pictures of forests - before and after. One can compare the pictures taken 30 years ago with those taken this year.



    Why did God create the insane human species that is ready to do
    everything for the wrong cause and nothing for the right cause – a
    species which is willing to do everything to destroy the ecosystems and
    nothing to save the ecosystems.

    Man is ready to kill and get killed for religion, for country, for honour, for power, for money and fame - But not for environment.

    Millions have been killed over trivial issues and causes.
    Millions have died for trivial issues and causes.

    How many people have died for environment? How many people have died for
    the most important / precious things on earth – animals, trees, air,
    water and land – the very things that created and sustained all life on
    earth.

    Most of the ecosystems are already gone. The
    little that remains is dying moment by moment. The situation is
    extremely critical but the human response is limited to the same old
    insanity – bring this technology, bring that technology - bring this technology, bring that technology.

    Environmentalism has failed.
    Environmentalism never existed.
    It was Pseudo-Environmentalism all the way.


    When 3000 people died in World Trade Center collapse the west was outraged - Killers, Murderers, Terrorists - they cried out. America vowed to smoke out the culprits - attacked Afghanistan, flattened the country and killed hundreds of thousands of people [directly or indirectly].

    When American company "Union Carbide"... killed 20,000 people in Bhopal, India the same desire for justice was not shown by the west.

    Why? - Is this not killing, murder, terrorism?

    There are hundreds of insecticides/ pesticides that are banned in western countries but the west is selling millions of tonnes of these chemicals in asia - leading to millions of deaths [directly or indirectly].

    Is this not killing, murder, terrorism?

    The west is shipping millions of tonnes of toxic , hazardous waste to asian countries for recycling - leading to millions of deaths [directly or indirectly].

    Is this not killing, murder, terrorism?

    The Military Industrial Complex has killed millions of people in wars. No terrorist organization has killed that many people.

    Industry kills - Industry kills humans, Industry kills animals, Industry kills trees, Industry kills air, Industry kills water, Industry kills land.

    Industry is the killer - Industry is the murderer - Industry is the
    terrorist.



    Destruction of ecosystems will soon lead to collapse of Industrial Society.

    Humans have decimated millions of other species - very soon it will be the turn of Humans to get decimated.

    But even decimation of humans will not save ecosystems - only a total wipe-out of humans will save ecosystems.

    If a few million humans survive they will again try to build another Industrial Society because they have seen such a society.

    Only human extinction will work.

    When the human species appears again there must be no memory of Industrialization and consumerism left in the human brain.

    It would be best if the human species never ever appears on the planet again.


    This planet can only sustain societies that produce their own food.

    This planet cannot sustain societies that do not produce their own food.

    Everyone in this world is eating food.

    But everyone in this world is not producing food.

    Today 50% of world population is living in cities. This population is not producing food. A society that does not produce its own food creates unnecessary work to keep itself occupied. People would go crazy if this unnecessary work is not created. A city-based/ non-farming society is mostly engaged in production and selling of consumer goods and services. Work turns into over-work, extra work, destructive work.

    When society produces its own food it destroys ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter.

    When society does not produce its own food it destroys ecosystems for "consumer goods" in addition to food, clothing, shelter.

    Cities existed before Industrial Revolution but their destructive impact was very little because they were not producing consumer goods that are being made today.

    We can never save environment if we are destroying extra - We can never save environment if we destroy it for "consumer goods" in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

    It is impossible to save environment as long as cities exist.

    It is impossible to save environment if we have societies that do not produce their own food.



    Over-exploitation of ecosystems became possible only due to modern technology/ machines.

    In the absence of modern technology/ machines it would be impossible for man to destroy all ecosystems.

    If modern technology/ machines had not come into existence man would
    have probably destroyed some ecosystems on land [forests] - and that
    too at a much slower rate than that of the present Industrial Society.

    It would have been impossible for man to destroy ecosystems in the sea/ oceans.

    It would have been impossible for man to carry out largescale mining
    activity and destroy ecosystems on the surface and deep inside the
    earth.

    It would have been impossible for man to poison the earth with thousands of toxic chemicals.

    It would have been impossible for man to generate billions of tonnes of
    solid, liquid and gaseous waste that has poisoned the air, water and
    land - the entire planet.

    It would have been impossible for man to generate billions of tonnes of
    metal waste, plastic waste, eWaste, nuclear waste...... that has
    poisoned the entire planet.

    The Machine has killed all ecosystems.

    It is impossible to save the remaining ecosystems as long as the machine exists.

    The Machine will devour everything that remains on earth.

    Machine is the killer.

    Kill the machine.



    The shameless, insane, abnormal and criminal human species
    gets alarmed only when other species are about to go extinct – not before. And
    even this late concern is fake - how could it ever be real.

    The crime happens much before extinction of species. The tragedy happens much
    before extinction of species.

    This planet was made for millions of species - not for man alone.

    The crime/ tragedy happened much earlier than extinction when man decimated all
    other species.

    The crime/ tragedy happened much earlier when the population of each species
    dropped from millions to thousands and hundreds.

    How would humans feel if the roles were reversed and the following happened.

    All the animals of the world join hands to decimate the human species.

    Humans are outraged , they cry out - killers, murderers, criminals, terrorists.

    The animals say - "what are you complaining about?".

    We are so compassionate - we did'nt kill all of you.

    You should be grateful that we did'nt make you extinct.

    There are 10 of you still alive on every continent.



    Jobs or Environment?

    Economy or Environment?

    These are the questions that are being asked today.

    This is insanity raised to the power of infinity.

    Do we need to discuss, debate and argue for 100 years to know the answer?

    Do we need to do research for 100 years to know the answer?

    What would be the response of this genius society if professional killers said - you should not stop us from killing people - if you do that you are taking away our jobs.

    Jobs are killing ecosystems, work is killing ecosystems, economy is killing ecosystems - work has turned into overwork, unnecessary work, extra work, destructive work.

    Industrial Society is destroying necessary things [animals, trees, air, water, land] for making unnecessary things [consumer goods].

    Without environment humans will not even exist.

    Without environment millions of other species will not exist.

    We are alive because of nature - we owe our very existence to nature.

    But this insane, abnormal and criminal "Industrial Society" continues to choose jobs instead of environment - economy instead of environment.

    Insanity raised to the power of infinity.



    Out of millions of species the human species is the only species which is insane enough to believe that food comes from money.

    Millions of other species have lived on earth for millions of years. Their food did not come from money.

    Food does not come from money - food comes from nature - food grows because of nature - food exists because of fertile soil, water, air, sunlight.......

    Industrial Society has killed, polluted, poisoned the very things that produce food.

    You can load trillions of dollars into a rocket and send it to the moon - you will not be able to buy a single grain of food over there.

    Money is paper, money is plastic - money is not food.

    Chief Seattle of the Indian Tribe had warned :

    "only after the last tree has been cut down, only after the last river has been poisoned, only after the last fish has been caught, only then will you realize that you cannot eat money"



    When is this insane society going to understand that it is not just Industrial accidents that destroy ecosystems - all Industrial activity destroys ecosystems.

    The Bhopal gas tragedy killed 20,000 people, crippled half a million people for life, killed thousands of animals and birds, killed/ polluted/ poisoned... the air, water and soil.

    Union Carbide was making pesticides/ insecticides in its plant. These carcinogenic insecticides and pesticides are killing millions of people all over the world every year - directly or indirectly. These toxic insecticides and pesticides are poisoning millions of acres of soil every year, These toxic insecticides and pesticides are killing millions of animals and birds every year. These toxic insecticides and pesticides are poisoning the underground and above-ground water sources. These toxic insecticides and pesticides have poisoned the entire food chain leading to multiple organ failure, genetic defects, birth defects.

    If the Bhopal Gas Tragedy had not happened the toxic insecticides and pesticides produced by Union Carbide would have still led to destruction of ecosystems, killing of humans, animals, birds, air, water and soil.


    Recently there was an oil spill in the sea in US. The oil is killing marine life.

    Oil kills ecosystems when it spills into the sea.

    Oil kills ecosystems even when it does'nt spill into the sea.

    If the oil had not spilled into the sea it would have been used to power ships that move around oceans - catching fish, killing marine life, torturing marine life moment by moment. At any given time there are 50,000 ships moving in the oceans.

    If the oil had not spilled it would have been used to run millions of cars, other vehicles, aeroplanes - whose exhausts would release millions of tonnes of toxic gases into the atmosphere. That is not all - ecosystems are killed to manufacture millions of cars, trucks, ships and aeroplanes that run on oil.

    If the oil had not spilled into the sea it would have been used to run millions of industries and factories - all of which kill ecosystems - animals, trees, air, water, land.


    When we make consumer goods we kill Animals/ Trees, Air/ Water and Land - directly or indirectly.

    Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.

    It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".

    Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.

    Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.

    Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. Industry kills Water. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted.

    Industries burn millions of tonnes of fuel and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.

    Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.

    When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.

    When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.

    Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.

    Industrial Society has generated billions of tonnes of hazardous solid, liquid and gaseous waste - billions of tonnes of metal waste, plastic
    waste, eWaste, chemical waste, nuclear waste.


    When an Industrial accident happens the focus of entire world shifts to it.

    All environmentalists are outraged.

    As if the environment was in good shape before the accident and will be in good shape after the accident.

    The problem is not Industrial accident -the problem is not any particular Industrial accident - the problem is Industry itself.

    Industrial accidents will continue to happen as long as Industry exists.

    They will only get bigger and bigger.

    Bigger the Industry bigger the Industrial accident.


    Industry kills ecosystems when there is an Industrial accident.

    Industry kills ecosystems even when there is no Industrial accident.

    All Industrial activity is an accident.

    All Industrial activity destroys ecosystems.

    All Industrial activity kills animals, trees, air, water, land.

    All Industrial activity leads to environmental crisis, environmental disaster, environmental catastrophe.

    It is impossible to save ecosystems as long as industry exists.




    Technology has destroyed ecosystems.

    But the Techno-Worshippers of this insane Industrial Society want still more technology, new technology, better technology, advanced technology - they claim that technology will save the ecosystems.

    Two thousand years ago the air was clean - it was not contaminated with billions of tonnes of toxic Industrial gases and particulate matter.

    Which technology made the air clean? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

    Two thousand years ago the rivers and oceans were clean - they were not contaminated with billions of tonnes of toxic Industrial waste.

    Which technology made the water clean? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

    Two thousand years ago the planet was full of forests - millions of species thrived - their population was hundreds and thousands of times greater than what it is now.

    Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

    Two thousand years ago the oceans were full of fish and other marine species.

    Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

    Two thousand years ago billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous waste did not exist on this planet.

    Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

    Two thousand years ago billions of tonnes of metal waste, plastic waste, chemical waste, eWaste, nuclear waste did not exist on this planet.

    Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?


    Technology does not save ecosystems - it is the absence of technology that saves ecosystems.

    Science, technology and industrialization lead to over-exploitation of ecosystems.

    Technology is not the saviour of ecosystems - technology is the destroyer of ecosystems.


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    Industrial Society has been spreading blatant lies over the years.

    "Green Industry", "Green Technology", "Ethical Consumerism", "Sustainable Development".

    These are contradictory terms
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    For several decades environmentalists have been warning modern society that ecosystems are getting destroyed - that consumerist life is not sustainable.

    But modern society which was busy chasing progress, growth and development did not listen. It refused to believe there was any environmental crisis or problem. It said science and technology will always find a solution - if earth gets destroyed we will move on to another planet.

    In the name of Science and Technology impossible dreams were sold to people in the last few decades.

    Moving to another planet would probably rank as the most impossible of all impossible things.

    One space shuttle exploded during take off - another exploded on the return journey.

    So far man has not been able to go beyond the moon. There is no other life sustaining ecosystem/ planet within our solar system. Outside the solar system planets and galaxies are millions of light years away - billions of light years away.

    So when are we moving to a new home ?

    Next year - or 5 years later ?


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    Solitary Man,

    Chief Seattle of the Indian Tribe had given a prophetic warning to the consumerist western civilization way back in 1854.


    Only after the last tree has been cut down
    Only after the last river has been poisoned
    Only after the last fish has been caught
    Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten


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    In the context of "environmental crisis", technology and consumerism I would like to give an example.


    A person is being stabbed repeatedly at regular intervals - every hour.

    Some people are trying to save the victim.

    The sane way to save is - you first stop the attack
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    No Multi National Company can manufacture the Amazon Rainforests.
    No MNC can manufacture Rivers and Oceans.
    No MNC can manufacture Mountains and Deserts.
    No MNC can manufacture milions of species and fertile soil.
    No MNC can manufacture the Sun.

    The glaciers have melted. Arctic Ice has melted. Use all your Technology - all your Refrigeration and AirConditioning Technology and try to recreate the glaciers and Arctic Ice.

    Many species of wild animals used to have hundreds of thousands/ millions of members. Now it is down to a few hundred/ a few thousand. Which MNC is going to restore the animal population to its original level?

    The Oceans have almost been emptied of all large Fish. Which MNC is going to bring the Fish back in the Ocean?

    Man has hunted down several species to extinction after Industrial Revolution. Which MNC is going to make them reappear?

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    Thoughts and Emotions are interlinked - but different things - totally/ completly different.

    Words can be spoken - words can be read - words can be heard. Visuals can be seen.

    Emotion is a subjective-experience. Other examples of subjective experience are taste, smell, touch, headache, stomach pain.

    One can understand the difference this way :

    When we eat an apple we can feel the taste of apple. Apple can give us the taste of apple - but apple is not taste.

    If we pour apple juice into a glass - the glass will not feel the taste - it does not have the ability to feel taste.

    If a person eats an apple he will feel the taste - because he has the ability to generate taste from apple.

    Words/ Visuals can evoke, intensify and sustain emotions - but words/ visuals are not emotions.



    In every field there is easy work/activity and difficult work/activity.

    In mathematics there is easy mathematics and difficult mathematics. Everyone can add 2+4 within microseconds. A PhD level problem of mathematics would take hours [or more] to solve - and that too only by someone who has spent 20 - 25 years learning mathematics upto PhD level.

    Same way in the field of emotions there are easy emotions and difficult emotions. Easy emotions are evoked within nanoseconds, microseconds and milliseconds - anger, lust, fear, pleasure, entertainment and excitement are some examples. These emotions are associated with fast breathing and heart-rate. These emotions don"t require gaps between thinking to evoke, intensify and sustain. These are the emotions that can be found everywhere in today's fast society.

    Then there are difficult emotions - which require ability and years of effort to develop - emotions associated with pain, compassion and peaceful states of mind are some examples. These emotions are associated with slow breathing and heart-rate. These emotions require freezing of thought - freezing of visuals and words - huge amounts of gaps between thinking - to evoke, intensify and sustain.

    [Fast emotions =emotions associated with fast visuals/fast words/fast breathing/fast heart-rate.
    Slow emotions=emotions associated with slow visuals/slow words/slow breathing/slow heart-rate.
    Rate of thinking=number of visuals/words processed per minute.
    Gaps between thinking =gaps between visuals/ words/ sentences.]

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    Parody of Language,

    Yes, I am involved with Yoga and Meditation - which is mainly about slowing down the breathing rate to achieve peaceful states of mind.

    You have written about energy and its corelation with physical activity, mental activity and subjective experience. In this context it is important to understand how energy produced by the food we eat forces us to work ceaselessly, what happens when we stop working and also what happens when society switches over from hard physical work to mental work[desk job].


    Life was never good in the past.

    Life will never be good in future.

    Life can never be good.

    Suffering is a part of life - an inherent feature of life. Suffering can never be eliminated.

    There is Physical suffering - There is Mental suffering.

    In pre-industrial society there were physical diseases caused by virus and bacteria.
    In modern society there are hundreds of lifestyle related physical diseases - Cancer, Stroke, Diabetes, Obesity, Multiple Organ Failures.


    Mental suffering will always exist. It exists in agrarian society. It exists in industrial society. As soon as we stop working we experience mental suffering.

    We avoid mental suffering by working ceaselessly.

    There is no higher purpose behind work.

    People do not work because they want to work.
    People work because they cannot stop working.

    The energy generated by the food we eat forces us to work ceaselessly.

    Energy = Energy[Physical Work] + Energy[Mental Work] + Energy[suffering/ Subjective Experience]

    All three energies on the right side are inversely proportional to one another.

    When we do hard physical work or hard mental work or a combination of physical work and mental work almost all energy is used up in doing work.

    When we stop physical work and mental work the unused energy is experienced as suffering/ anxiety/ restlessness/ discomfort. This suffering is so intense - so unbearable - that most people cannot stop physical activity and mental activity simultaneously for even 2 minutes - they can stop work/activity only under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

    People do not work because they want to work.
    People do not work for their family.
    People do not work for their nation.
    People do not work for any reason.

    People work because they cannot stop working.

    It does not matter what kind of work we do - whether it is physical work or any kind of mental work. As soon as we stop working we suffer from restlessness, anxiety, uneasiness and discomfort.

    [ In Yoga and Meditation the goal is to stop Physical Activity and Mental Activity simultaneously - and then transform the subjective-experience of restlessness/ anxiety/ suffering into peace. This requires ability and years of effort ]

    For most people the choice is between physical and mental work.
    The switch-over from physical work to mental work is disastrous for the planet.

    Man can do the same physical work every day.
    Man cannot do the same mental work every day.

    When man used to do physical work ( farming and related activities ) he could do the same repetitive work day after day- generation after generation.

    After the Industrial Revolution when man switched-over to mental work he began a never ending process of making new machines / things / products-- a process which can only end with the complete destruction of environment ( planet ).

    Today 50% of world population - 3 bilion people are living in cities. The necessary work of growing/producing Food is being done outside cities - in villages and countryside. Most of the people living in cities are engaged in unnecessary work - making things, buying things and selling things. The switch-over from Physical work to Mental work/ Desk job has led to an endless cycle of unnecessary and destructive work.

    When society switches over from physical work to mental work it starts making thousands of consumer goods. People start calling them necessities. They are not necessities at all - 90% of consumer goods that we see today did not exist 50 years ago.

    Food, Water, Air, Little clothing, Little Shelter - these are necessities.

    Close your nose and stop breathing for a few minutes - you will then know what necessity is.

    Stop drinking water for a few days - you will then know what necessity is.

    Stop eating food for a few days - you will then know what necessity is.

    Today people are making thousands of consumer goods - not because they are necessities - but because they cannot stop making them. People cannot stop doing work - After switching over to mental work they will keep on making thousands of unnecessary consumer goods. Industrial Society is destroying necessary things[Animals,Trees,Air,Water and Land] for makng unnecessary things[Consumer Goods]. This is the reason why the switch-over from physical work to mental work is so destructive. This is the point of no-return - once this is crossed the destruction of Environment/ Nature is inevitable.

    If we live a simple life there is individual suffering - but no largescale destruction of Environment.

    If we live a consumerist life there is individual suffering - plus largescale destruction of Environment.

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  15. sushil_yadav added a post in a topic Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment   

    Man can repair and restore things that have been made by man himself. Car, Computer, Aeroplane, Rocket - if anything goes wrong with these things man can repair and restore.

    Man cannot repair and restore Nature/ Environment - because man did not make Nature/ Environment. Once a Forest is destroyed - it is gone for millions of years. One cannot create a Forest in 5 or 50 years - it takes millions of years to make a forest - containing millions of species of animals, insects, birds, plants and trees. Man can create a plantation in 5 or 50 years - not a forest.

    The only way to save Environment is by not destroying it - leave it alone - leave it undisturbed. If you destroy Environment you cannot repair and restore it.

    sushil_yadav

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