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About RonPrice

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  1. RonPrice added a post in a topic Baha'i-Christian-Secular Apologetics   

    Thanks, No Rush...Life is this end too.-Ron Price, Tasmania
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  2. RonPrice added a post in a topic Baha'i-Christian-Secular Apologetics   

    I thank Ian Kluge for his definition of Baha'i apologetics as "the application of reason to explicate and, thereby, teach the Baha'i Writings in such a way as to reveal their rational foundations and character, to show that faith in Baha'u'llah's revelation is a reasonable response to the problems of the contemporary world, and to defend the Baha'i Faith against attacks on its principles, teachings and practices."
    A rational apologetics does not do away with faith or with the need for personal, existential choices and commitment. Rather, it prepares the intellectual ground from which faith and other personal ways of knowing can grow and flourish. It puts our spiritual life on a rational basis without limiting it to the powers of human reason.

    In this regard the first goal of apologetics is faith i.e. to clear away undue intellectual obstacles to faith and prepare people for the existential moment at which they may choose to receive or submit themselves to the spirit of faith.
    We all make assumptions about a multitude of things and concepts, beliefs and valuers---the origins of the universe, of existence itself. Different assumptions, different people---and very complex arguments. I've always liked the definition of "faith" as the making of assumptions(keeping in mind that assumptions in mathematics are not proveable, as in any field, but rather, they are givens) and the entwining of our emotions around these unproveable statements. Assumptions are just that assumptions, well argued, hopefully not blind but convincing when the arguments that procede from them are well argued.-Ron Price, Tasmania.
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  3. RonPrice added a topic in Play   

    Watching a television documentary on Jimmy Carter
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  4. RonPrice added a post in a topic Baha'i-Christian-Secular Apologetics   

    I did not get discouraged by your remark, jedaisoul; the reason I have not been back in the last 3 weeks has everything to do with a busy life at this end and nothing to do with your site at all. I can only pop in occasionally to your threads. I like the flavour of your site, its serious orientation and its high standards of literacy and discussion. No offense taken.-Ron Price, Tasmania
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  5. RonPrice added a post in a topic Baha'i-Christian-Secular Apologetics   

    I was thinking that any "religious studies" would include a thread or two that included some "apologetics." But, that was just one man's view. I am happy to be told I was wrong. At the age of 63 I have a record or being wrong an uncountable number of times.-Ron Price, George Town, Tasmania. 8)
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  6. RonPrice added a topic in Explore   

    Baha'i-Christian-Secular Apologetics
    This tapestry of prose which I weave at various internet sites attempts to endow various themes and a wide range of social science and humanities subjects with many layers of meaning. I try, too, to evoke a complex range of responses in readers. As initiator of this prose-poetry project at a multitude of forums, I have tried to develop a style which fuses together material from many academic disciplines, from my own life and my religion, the Baha'i Faith. It is my conviction that the Baha'i Faith has a significant role to play in the growing unification of the planet. It is my hope, too, that what I write resonates with both the novitiate, the veteran Baha'i and others on a multitude of paths, secular and sacred. And so I post this item in the "religious studies" section of "The Academy."

    The Founder of my Faith, Baha'u'llah, wrote back in the 19th century that there were many, indeed, multitudes of life forms in the universe; until we discover them we have to deal with each other; I hope that the prose and poetry I post here over the months and years ahead will be of value to others at this site and I invite any dialogue and honest criticism--and I trust what one might call "an etiquette of expression" will always be maintained. Let me post the following introduction to any discussion of ideas that might take place:
    Apologetics is a branch of systematic theology, although some experience it
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  7. RonPrice added a post in a topic Vladimir Nabokov   

    The concepts of deviance and normalcy had become disturbingly fluid by the early 1970s after a five decade slide that began entre des guerres, if not before. To Alfred Kinsey and the perspectives emerging from a scientific study of sex, one girl in my life might have been seen as a normally developing female experimenting with her sexuality. But my interpretive or epistomological frame was not that of any of the post-war sexologists. I viewed my sexuality and the girl's from a Baha
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  8. RonPrice added a post in a topic The problem with emotional truth   

    There are so many ways of looking at the issues discussed above. In general I have no trouble with the points raised by davidm in relation to fiction and non-fiction or scientific method.

    What I wanted to emphasize in my last post was that:

    1. reason and faith are aspects of the same epistomological process rather than aspects of human experience in some fundamental opposition. Neither should be viewed as a fixed, well-defined mode of knowing. The same is true of fiction and non-fiction.
    2. Just because knowledge, science, understanding is relative and rooted in varying degrees in human subjectivity is no reason to see that the world "out there" is unreal or a figment of our imagination, as some schools of thought entertain.
    3. It is the organization of knowledge that makes it scientific. Science is organized knowledge. This is not to say that there are no other definitions of science or scientific method. W.V. Quine says that science is "common sense which has become self-conscious." When we begin to organize our experience(experimentation), to direct our reasoning(maths and logic) and to train our intuition(reflection and meditation)--we are engaging in scientific inquiry.
    4. The dichotomies fiction and non-fiction; science and non-science could be placed on continua for the sake of analysis and discussion. That is what is being done here in this thread, it seems to me.
    All of us have deep-seated feelings of certitude about many things. But, if we are honest, we can not rule out the possibility that these certitudes may be dreams or illusions, just partial truths or insights of a limited magnitude. The feeling of certitude is a psychological state. The feeling of certitude is not the same or equivalent to knowledge. The feeling of certitude can be had even when there is little to no knowledge.

    So it is that I make the point: that the relationship between what we know, our knowledge and our convictions about fiction, food, philosophy or whatever, goes something like this---(a)if our intellect accepts something as true, then (b)our emotions begin to organize themselves around the idea, focussing on it and 'depending' on it. When this happens, © the concept ceases to be a mere intellectual hypothesis or assumption. It (d) becomes part of the way we live, expect things be and behave and see the topic or subject under discussion.

    That is why it is cricual that we should always be critical about our assumptions for that is where the dialogue, the thesis-antithesis, is centered--or so it seems to me. This is all part of that notion behind "emotional truth" which I sought to discuss and which this thread is concerned with.

    I shall return to this interesting theme---lateRon.
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  9. RonPrice added a post in a topic The problem with emotional truth   

    After reflecting for two days on my first contribution to this thread, I would like to add a thought or two since: (a) my contribution was not about fiction and ( the notion of "emotional truth" I think needs some definition and clarification.
    1. No statement can be absolutely true for no statement is independent of other statements and facts, some of which only come to our attention at a future date.
    2. Meanings are altered by sudden or subtle shifts in the way we use words.
    3. to put 1 and 2 above a little differerently: our knowledge is relative.
    4. We organize our emotions around our assumptions. Religion calls this faith. We can define an individual's faith, then, to be his total emotional and psychological orientation resulting from the body of assumptions about reality which he has consciously or unconsciously made.
    5. Faith, in this sense then, is not some vague thing possessed by a few religious mystics but, something every human being has just as surely as he has a mind and a body.
    6. If our assumptions are grossly unscientific our faith is blind and the emotional reorientation required to assimilate new truth will be great.
    7. the objectivity of science lies in the method which allows our assumptions to be continually reassessed. Science is a method much more than it is a body of content. Emotion and truth are both immensely critical in the exercise of the scientific method which should be part and parcel of all our study in this 21st century.
    That's enough of an expansion of that first contribution. I trust some readers enjoy this clarification and addition. I thank William S. Hatcher who passed away in recent months for this notion of the role of emotions wrapped around assumptions equalling our "faith" in life, in our position. -Ron Price, Tasmania.
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  10. RonPrice added a post in a topic Introduce yourself here...   

    Could not find my post, if indeed I posted an introduction. so I'll say a few words just to make sure: 8)

    1999-2007-Writer/Poet/Retired Teacher: George Town Tasmania
    2002-2005-Program Presenter, City Park Radio, Launceston
    1999-2004-Tutor and/or President: George Town School for Seniors Inc
    1988-1999 -Lecturer in General Studies and Human Services
    West Australian Department of Training
    1986-1987 -Acting Lecturer in Management Studies and Co-ordinator of
    Further Education Unit at Hedland College in South Hedland, WA.
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  11. RonPrice added a post in a topic The problem with emotional truth   

    As I read this thread and its diverse lines of thought, I was drawn to a paragraph in my own memoirs, a paragraph that reflected on the literally billions of people who felt "an emotional truth" in their avowal of the various major systems that have dominated the minds of men in the last 100 years. I place that paragraph from my memoirs as a contribution to this discussion of "emotional truth."
    The seductiveness of major systems of ideas and fallacious philosophies which tried to explain the life's whole machina mundi and which captivated the intellect and the emotions of many a previous generation still lingered into the late twentieth and early twenty-first century and the epochs that were the time frame of my life like dessicated carcasses.

    These systems formed a part of the backdrop of my life from the 1940s to the first years of the new millennium: the pseudo-scientific system of Marxism which was in its last years as I was beginning to write this memoir in the 1980s; the purely pragmatic systems of capitalism and humanistic liberal democracy were rapidly losing their hold on the minds and consciences of those who once worshipped and still did, often unknowingly, at their alters; the quite pathological systems of Nazism and Fascism were coming to an end in the first two years of my life and the several traditional religions of history had spawned a host of strange bedfellows wholly inadequate to the slough of despond that had descending on humanity in my time, in the lifetime of my parents and, arguably, my grandparents.
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