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  • Interests: Philosophy of Science, Cognitive Psychology, Pessimism, Anarchism
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  1. Paulus added a post in a topic Best anime of 2014   

    Plus, it does not help at all to the current anime situation, the losses of two great, interesting and innovative minds in the field: Satoshi Kon and Ryūtarō Nakamura. I was hoping to see Despera, another anime with the same creative crew of Serial Experiments Lain, yet the project remains in hold because of the death of Nakamura, a shame. Also Satoshi Kon was so awesome, I saw all of his work, always intelligent, fun, well written, well drawn... Fucking life, fucking death.
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  2. Paulus added a post in a topic Dawkins disgraces himself again   

    Yeah, well is not just Dawkins that makes these rushed claims. Family members, acquaintances, and anyone I have met randomly in the street, especially in my daily work which is going from house to house asking for a sum of money that goes to a charity fundation, falls to this; in my job I get to interact with some curious people, they usually make uninformed, very sure and hasty judgments about something, of late, about arabs, muslims, etc. The other day I was mocked by one because my beard (just that day the news had shown the Pakistani school shooting) resembled "those mad terrorist arabs" (said the elderly woman talking to me). I could have said that arabs are not the same as muslims, or moors, or islamics, etc, and that they themselves suffer from terrorism (90% of arab countries actually), but who cares.

    It seems it is a human limitation and predisposition to generalize, it is called economy of thought, I think, in cognitive psychology. Since reality is so complex and the information is just too much for our petty brains, we make this hasty judgments and affirmations, to get around the world, survive. We are just too "stupid" or too practical, even the educated and well read, those that engage in critical thinking and are sensible enough to recognize their own intellectual constraints, cannot avoid that much this error... Even after decades of study and deconstruction, we yet see the earth still and the sun moving so to speak. I myself get taken aback at times to see how complicated everything is, I keep unlearning as time goes on. Religion is one of those complex and deep topics that are almost impossible to grasp in all its variables and branches, subtleties. So yeah, perhaps religion is a factor in violence, but also politics, an innate bias in humans to segregate and form groups, differences, economics, ideology, etc. To the contrary, religion may predispose people to make great changes in their life and aid others, so the examples can go both ways.

    John Gray, in a review of a recent book by Karen Armstrong, comments the following about religion and violence:



    The article:
    Is religion to blame for history’s bloodiest wars?
    From the Inquisition to Isis, religion is blamed for brutality. But violence is a secular creed too.
    http://www.newstates...lambs-slaughter

    Violence is a difficult and intricate phenomenon, hand waving and scapegoating is just preposterous
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  3. Paulus added a post in a topic Pasiphaë's bull   

    Haha is okay Davidm, I used the author from the DI because he said, with grandiose rethoric, what some people may agree with, that humans have a dignity that non-humans animals do not have, or that the natural order obliges humans to be superior, indifferent or whatever to the rest of the living beings.

    I think that the debate of whether humans and the rest of the animals are exceptional in their own way, or whether humans are in fact better or different, be it in degree or type, to the rest of the animals is less simple, at least intuitively but that may be an anthropocentric bias on my part. To make myself more clear, I think that, first, to talk about animals in a global category with no distinctions is mistaken, each can be exceptional and different as you say, and even resemble, some less some more, humans in their specialness (for example the level of cognition, memory and problem solving of chimpanzees, elephants and dolphins; a fact that perhaps further studies in ethology will illustrate and expand even more). Also one can notice that every living being, in its most essential, cares about similar things: food, shelter, social interactions, seeking comfort and satisfaction, avoiding pain, etc. On the positive side,they do not have to bear social conundrums, ambiguities and nuisances, nor existential dilemmas, or wage slavery, etc.

    Yet, with the example you gave of the pigeon, it is true that humans, naked, are pretty useless compared to the other species, they appear harmless and fragile, weak in force and health, a spider can kill us, or a simple cold, but the difference one could argue is that through technology and invention one can not only imitate the rest of the animal kingdom (flying through planes for example) but even be better at it (fly through space), and so on, we can reinvent ourselves (something that transhumanism proposes), other non-human animals are, at first glance more limited in this aspect (though I read a few years ago about dolphins doing some actions similar to wwhat one can call a culture, they were sharing knowledge, in a small community, about how to use a sponge, and it was an independent and autonomous social activity that other dolphins, in other places, did not do).

    I suppose my doubts (sometimes in agreement with them, others in disagreement), about the difference of humans and non-human animals, if it is possible to generalize the answer, would be the one that Richard Posner possited to Peter Singer in a debate about animal rights:

    ... for example, we could agree that although a normal human being's life is more valuable than a normal chimpanzee's life, it is only 100 times more valuable, you would have to concede than if a person had to choose between killing one human being and 101 chimpanzees, he should kill the human being. Against the deep revulsion that such results engender the concept of a transhuman community of sufferers beats its tinsel wings ineffectually.

    It is more of an intuition (that reasoning and more information could dispel perhaps), I do wonder though about that kind of ethical dilemma, because maybe an impartial and universal glance, if it is possible to do so, at the case proposed by Posner would regard the matter as unimportant and indifferent, whether 100 apes be killed or 1 human being, nature will keep creating more and more of any of them, or extinct all of them at once with a catasthrope. Anyways this observations and ramblings are a bit off-topic, it would be an interesting discussion nevertheless to see if the specialness of human beings is more "special" than the specialness of the other non-human animals, in general (assuming we can group them all) or individually.
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  4. Paulus added a topic in Explore   

    Pasiphaë's bull
    The first of two parts; I decided to fragment it in two, for the comfort of the reader, after I noticed how extense the thread turned out to be . Anyways, who would want to read such a long crude prose for so long?

    General Remarks

    A wide glance at human sexuality can show, like Krafft-Ebing and Alfred Kinsey did, that it is as diverse and singular as the stars, and the deeper one probes, the more extravagant it becomes, be it at the group level or at the individual level: objectum sexuality and human cannibalism(1) being two clear examples.
    At the same time, it is quite hard not to find a culture or society that did not condemn some sexual activity or an aspect related to it, for example, menstruation, incest, sodomy, and others.

    Nonetheless, here I will write about a particular sexual activity, one that, usually, either incites extreme mockery or censure. I refer to Bestiality or Zoophilia. Zoophilia is defined, by wikipedia, as "a paraphilia(2) involving cross-species sexual activity between human and non-human animals or a fixation on such practice. The term zoophilia derives from the combination of two nouns in Greek: ζῷον (zṓion, meaning "animal") and φιλίa (philia, meaning "(fraternal) love"). As a suffix, -philia indicates an abnormal liking for or tendency towards a given thing. Thus, the term denotes an abnormal human sexual attraction to animals".
    The idea of abnormality (normality) in itself controversial, can be understood here, for simplicity's sake, as a behavior statistically insignificant or rare (altough the use of it can be discussed too in the comments).

    There is a long cultural tradition of, favorable as well as unfavourable, zoophilia depictions, Greek myths like that of the title of this topic, Japanese paintings like The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife by Hokusai, literary tales from Boccaccio, and the many religious prohibitions, just to name a few examples, are proof of this, so the sexual act it is definitively not something new. Usually kept at the margins of society and in obscure corners, harshly censured and penalized by law, morals and taste, by theists and atheists alike, only recently, at the end of the 20th century and at the beginning of the 21th century, has it become, very feebly, a subject and sexual act to be discussed and argued for/against, rather than be dismissed beforehand, by ethical philosophers, legal scholars and the general public at large.

    I propose here to peruse the most common objections and reservations to zoophilia, then make some final observations about the topic in general, and hopefully start some interesting discussion.

    Objections to Zoophilia

    I divided them into three categories, but more in the interest of organization than of philosophical rigor, because the categories selected are not easily demarcated, reality is always multifaceted and complex I guess, and some of them might be less differentiated than initially granted.

    Ideal objections: these objections are about an ideal state or parameter that humans and other animals cannot trespass, like a taboo, otherwise something of great symbolic value might be loss and, slippery slope, it could be the end of society and humanity as we know it.

    These views may be resumed by the following writer: The great philosophical question of the 21st Century is going to be whether we will knock humans off the pedestal of moral exceptionalism and instead define ourselves as just another animal in the forest. The stakes of the coming debate couldn't be more important: It is our exalted moral status that both bestows special rights upon us and imposes unique and solemn moral responsibilities--including the human duty not to abuse animals.
    … One of the reasons bestiality is condemned through law is that such degrading conduct unacceptably subverts standards of basic human dignity and is an affront to humankind's inestimable importance and intrinsic moral worth.
    I say permitting it (zoophilia) promotes social anarchy, moral disintegration, and a view of humans that is inherently degrading, thereby harming the common good. (3)

    It is easy to see that there are many assumptions and loaded meanings to question in these hyperbolic and apocalyptic statements, but let’s focus on two big words, that are used not only in this context, but in many others, to reject and censure a position or view: “dignity” (in this cited fragment) and “natural”.

    Dignity

    Dignity is a very value laden concept, full of implicit assumptions, unclear, and of an arbitrary application. In this case it is used as an argument against zoophilia, because, the critics say, having sex with a non-human animal would demean a human being, take away his/her dignity, and by doing so giving free way to an anything goes morally speaking.
    The first problem, then, with dignity is that is it simple undefined and vague, because, when we speak of dignity to what do we refer exactly? After researching various definitions and articles, It seems to be related to worth, respect, self-respect, to being fully human, yet those same terms are not defined without some controversy, and might say more about the one that preaches them than the one that “fails” to live up to them. For example a woman in a story by Sartre thinks about how having a body in itself is in some sense undignified, ugly, problematic, because of the reflexes, mechanics, secretions it expels, sort of like a silly meat puppet; others believe that being human it is not special at all, nor is there any intrinsic dignity to it, perhaps quite the contrary, because as early and recent psychology studies have show, we can be tribal, impulsive, biased, cruel and irrational, things we surely do not find to be praiseworthy. Perhaps being human isn’t that great after all. Of course we could argue that they who do those things are not human or are far from it, but that is just dishonest; sadly, dictionaries and popular culture abound with definitions of humane, humanity and the like as synonym of good, empathetic, benevolent, dignified and help to promote these lazy assumptions.
    Other problem is, even if we were in agreement about what dignity meant, how do we accomplish this standard? For example, say we think that dignity is having respect for oneself, how do we measure that that self-respect is being done or accomplished? Is there a spectrum of dignity, some having more, others less? Is it even possible to have no dignity at all? And does something having less dignity or no dignity at all is it necessarily bad? Less say we know what dignity is and we know how to “measure” it, the next question is who are we to use dignity as a norm and rule for human action? Did not the Nazis felt the Jews to have no dignity at all, and because of it to be of no value and justified in treating them as a pest, as trash, as nothing? Surely we think the Nazis to be wrong, yet they, presumably, had quite sure a definition for dignity, how to measure it, and felt an authority of it. Nevertheless, let’s assume that we have solved all these problems, why should dignity be of such an importance that it can overcome other human interests like freedom, originality or pleasure? I think that it is not clear or obvious at all that it can be so.

    Some much for dignity, yet, perhaps, we could use the weapon of the critic, and shoot him in the face with it. Could it be true that blurring the human/non-human animal divide could be detrimental to society and morality? Perhaps not, recent studies on prejudice and discrimination have shown that thinking and seeing nonhuman animals as less important than humans, of not placing relevance in their interest or wellbeing, in being speciesist, turns out to be correlated to being prone to discriminate other groups and people:

    It has been contemplated that many of our prejudices against human outgroups (i.e., groups to which we do not belong) find their roots or origins in our thinking about the human-animal divide. Could this be true? Might our sense of being different from and superior to non-human animals lay the foundations for the mistreatment of other people, particularly “others” we consider animal-like?
    Our laboratory has been actively pursuing this intriguing possibility. My PhD student (Kimberly Costello) and I recently proposed the Interspecies Model of Prejudice. This simple model breaks down into several parts. First, we propose that thinking of humans as different from and superior to animals contributes to prejudices against others (e.g., immigrants). Second, this relation (or “effect”) is explained by the degree to which we view those other people as less-than-human. In other words, devaluing animals provides the fuel for devaluing other (dehumanized) humans, which leads to prejudice toward that group. The implications are clear: portraying “them” as animal-like would have no derogatory sting or system-justifying impetus if we did not collectively consider non-human animals inherently inferior to humans in the first place. As Plous (2003, p. 510) observes, “… the very act of ‘treating people like animals’ would lose its meaning if animals were treated well.”(4)

    Of course I do not suggest having sex with non-human animals as a cure for prejudice and discrimination, yet the idea of seeing zoophilia as degrading to humans, to dignity, because it blurs the, vague frontier, of humans and non-human animals is at the core of other ideas and acts that dismiss the interests of non-human animals, and because of it, of humanity at large maybe?

    Natural

    Let’s think about another idea and argument that is usually thrown into debates where the human and non-human divide is put into question, that is the argument from nature. This is easy and simple; it merely affirms that having sex with non-human animals is unnatural. Well, just like the idea of dignity, this one suffers the same criticisms: vagueness, arbitrariness, is-ought confusion, etc. What is natural? Is it not everything that exists natural, the whole universe in short? So talking about the natural is pointless and meaningless perhaps? Maybe the critic does not mean that, he means something more modest, like a feature intrinsic to nature or some kind of identity, yet this is also of little help because humans are from nature and live in nature, how could they be possible above and beyond it, should not everything they do be natural? Maybe the critic means something more specific, like a rule, but still this is problematic, because, for example, the Marquis de Sade argued, in his novels, that seeking pleasure is the sole law of nature, all animals want it, and so does the human being, the unnatural is to censure and repressed it. I doubt many would agree with Sade, nor think that nature prescribes an action or that it norms human conduct, in fact, it can be argued otherwise, that some “natural” actions are to be censured, since it is possible that human conducts that we find abhorrent could be grounded on natural selection, for example rape (some evolutionary psychologist think that is served and serves a function as a secondary mating strategy); of course we would not permit rape because it is a natural product of mother nature, evolution, et al, we do not care about these natural origins, we judge actions through other standards (wellbeing, consent, harm, etc.), we consider societies to be different now, our interests and values to be different also. Plus the idea of the natural is as varied as it is ambiguous: Rousseau said that civilization was unnatural, yet no one seems to agree or care now; we used to think that women who rejected maternity were unnatural, that women, being mothers by nature, belonged solely to the domestic sphere, their cognitive abilities being nil and unnecesary, yet we do not agree with these ideas now; we used to think homosexuality to be unnatural; slaves escaping from their bondage to be unnatural (5); even, some believe, the use of technology to be unnatural (Unabomber), etc. yet few if none agree with these claims or put much importance into them. To the contrary, poison is natural, but nobody drinks it with merriment; disease is natural, yet everyone complains about it and seeks help to get rid of it; burping, farting, expectorating are natural yet we dislike it when somebody does it in our faces. Let’s say we can show with certainty what is natural, now what? Does it matter? No. Because what is the case is simply that, a description of something, and as it best it can tell us the origin of something, but nothing much. The natural it is not a norm, nor a rule, and even less an ethical prescription, and even if it where, we can reject it for other reasons and values.

    Ethical objections: these have to do with the interests of the non-human animals

    Harm

    Is it argued, in its stronger form, that the non-human animals necessarily are harmed by having sex with humans and so zoophilia is wrong; the soft form says that potentially they could be harmed and because of that zoophilia is wrong. Is it true that this could be the case? I think yes, but it depends. First of all talking about the non-human animal as if it were a uniform and unique group of beings is false, violent and sloppy, because, to assume that all animals are equal is to dismiss their singularities and differences, physical, emotional and psychological, and be ignorant of their preferences. But more to the point, this argument is not entirely convincing, because an adult human would make as much harm to a puppy, as he would do to a human infant, in other words, this preoccupation is not circumscribed only to zoophilia, it is about sexuality in general. It is not hard, I presume, to imagine ways to have sex with a non-human animal that would cause neither the human nor the non-human animal harm, but pleasure and satisfaction to both parties involved if it is done with care.

    A more satirical reply would poke the eye of the critic and mock him with rage: “you, you preach about harming the non-human animal, you, the one who cares little or nothing about the suffering and horror of animal farming, about the cruel manufacturing of cosmetics, about the use and abuse of animals in entertainment, about the misuse and exploitation of them in scientific experiments, about the leather you wear made of tears and blood?”.

    Consent

    This argument claims that non-humans animals do not, nor are able, to give consent, zoophilia then is abusive and harmful, just like rape. Jacob Appel addressed this argument (as well as the harm apprehension):

    (The issue of consent) reflects the concern of animal rights advocates, such as members of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, that bestiality is synonymous with animal abuse. Animals cannot consent in a meaningful way to sexual contact, they argue, so human-animal sex is akin to rape.

    The problem with this reasoning is that animals cannot consent—under the legal definition of that term—to anything. We do not describe owning a pet dog as kidnapping, even when the canine is restricted to the inside of a home, although confining a human being in the same manner would clearly be unethical. What might make more reasonable sense is to speak of animal welfare. Certainly, to the degree that animals experience pain, an argument can be made for preventing such suffering. (Although I suspect that the vast majority of lawmakers who voted for anti-bestiality statutes do not eschew hamburgers, leather-goods or even fur—not to mention cleansers and cosmetics safety-tested on the eyes of lab rabbits.) But while (without becoming graphic) some such human-animal interactions are likely painful, others may well be neutral or even pleasurable for the animals concerned. As the father of the modern animal rights movement, Princeton-based philosopher Peter Singer, points out, “Sex with animals does not always involve cruelty.'"(6)

    And as Brian Cutteridge argues:

    Animal sexual autonomy is regularly violated for human financial gain through procedures such as [artificial insemination and slaughter]. Such procedures are probably more disturbing physically and psychologically than acts of zoophilia would be, yet the issue of consent on the part of the animal is never raised in the discussion of such procedures.(7)

    Apart from the inconsistency in everyday life of the consent argument, we could ask how could consent be taken into account without assuming a human expression of it? Is it possible that non-human animals could consent in their own way? For example some think that the dog attempts at copulating with the owner, “humping” the leg say, are in some way giving their consent to the activity and even initiating it. Not only that, they also "seem to enjoy the attention provided by the sexual interaction with a human."(7)
    Lastly, zoophilia, it is not entirely an human initiated and consented activity, because research “has proven that non-human animals can and do have sex for non-reproductive purposes (and for pleasure).In 2006, a Danish Animal Ethics Council report concluded that ethically performed zoosexual activity is capable of providing a positive experience for all participants, and that some non-human animals are sexually attracted to humans (for example, dolphins).”(8)

    Nevertheless, although inconsistent in its uses and justly condemned and refuted because of it, consent in its positive meaning I am less confident to support. It seems less clear, at least to me, without a doubt, how to distinguish or interpret consent from a non-human animal.

    In part two I'll deal with the disgust or yuk argument to zoophilia.

    Notes

    (1) The case of Armin Meiwes
    (2) "A paraphilia is a condition in which a person's sexual arousal and gratification depend on fantasizing about and engaging in sexual behavior that is atypical and extreme". From Psychology Today.
    (3) “Wesley J. Smith (born 1949) is an American lawyer and author, a Senior Fellow at the Discovery Institute's Center on Human Exceptionalism”. Wikipedia.
    (4) The Human-Animal Divide and Prejudices Against Humans. Seeing others as “less-than-human”. From Psychology Today.
    (5) Drapetomania was a supposed mental illness described by American physician Samuel A. Cartwright in 1851 that caused black slaves to flee captivity. Wikipedia.
    (6) Three Reasons Society Shouldn't Rush to Condemn Bestiality. Opposing News.
    (7) For the Love of Dog: On the Legal Prohibition of Zoophilia in Canada and the United States.
    (8) Bestiality ban not needed: Ethics Council; "Bid to save over-friendly dolphin". CNN.
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  5. Paulus added a post in a topic Best anime of 2014   

    Regardless of my recent lack of interest in the anime genre, I was curious about the newest work of Watanabe that you mention (one of my fav animes of all time is Cowboy Bebop, I liked the anthology feeling of it and the cool mixture of styles and themes, with a pervasive melancholic mood surrounding it all; just delightful). So after reading your review i'll definitely give a look at it.

    The last animes I gave a try were Aoi Bungaku and Kids on the Slope, not animes from 2014 though, but worth a glance; the first is a series of adaptations of japanese literary classics (Akutagawa, Dazai, etc.), with an unequal narrative, execution and visual narration and style, some more interesting and great, others just okay or nothing special. The special thing about it is that usually mangas are the ones that get adapted or used as an inspiration in anime, here is short stories from the japanese canon; Kids on the Slope I saw some episodes, an is about the development of a jazz band, I think of the slice of life genre, and it is from Watanabe, it do not think it reaches the summit of Bebop, or even Samurai Shamploo, but it has its moments, and anyways I haven't finish it yet, plus there are tons of jazz and musical references, and humor.
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  6. Paulus added a post in a topic A Shameless Worship of Heroes   

    Davidm, related to your post on newton, check this out:



    Peruse this interesting blog entry by an autodidact historian, presumably friend of John Wilkins from evolving thoughts, whose work focuses mostly on the history of science in the early modern period http://thonyc.wordpr...st-lone-genius/
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  7. Paulus added a post in a topic A Shameless Worship of Heroes   

    Wow there have been so many replies that I am aghast haha, I did not expect such welcoming to my reappearance, especially when the topic selected, intentionally, is not as well argued and documented as the future ones I intend to do (as I hope made clear in the note to this topic).

    I haven´t read all the replies but i'll will soon, I want now to just make clear something, that perhaps was not clear in my first post, and that is that I am not saying that one can, or should, discredit, abandon, reject or censure the ideas of a person (genius, great man, woman, etc.) because of his moral character, inmoral tendencies, despicable personality, and the rest*. I think is not serious, and is even intellectually harmful, to the individual and society at large, to focus (solely) on the character of the person when evaluating his/her ideas (although that character may be the origin and basis of the future genius ideas to come of that person, and if so, of historical curiosity); we should value those ideas, art, work, by themselves, in their own merit, regardless of whom, and how, were the parents of those ideas. The intention of my writing was more of a vague and personal reflection on those who make the great works and think the great ideas, a consideration of their global person (¿were they more unstable, more susceptible to moral error, than the common man? for example), and how do we appreciate them, idealize them, turn them into idols, and forget their more human aspect, aspects that, were they not geniuses and immortals, we would not forget so easily maybe.

    Nevertheless I liked the point made by Hugo (if I understood you correctly) about practical reason, but it seems to me that that would depend on the genre or field in which those ideas are relevant and how their consistency with the founder or "preacher" of them was maintained or affirmed, for example an ethical philosopher would fall more on this suspicion than an author of horror fiction like Lovecraft perhaps. Nonetheless I still would not feel convinced to argue that those ideas could be potentially false or erroneus, even if they were dismissed by the geniuses themselves by their failure to live up to them, since there could be many reasons for that inconsistency, one being that spelled by Dr. Johnson: "Nothing is more unjust, however common, than to charge with hypocrisy him that expresses zeal for those virtues which he neglects to practice; since he may be sincerely convinced of the advantages of conquering his passions, without having yet obtained the victory, as a man may be confident of the advantages of a voyage, or a journey, without having courage or industry to undertake it, and may honestly recommend to others, those attempts which he neglects himself."

    Anyways, it became a much more interesting topic than I expected at first because this is TGL... Here my brain throbs and hurts, something which I enjoy, and prefer much more, than getting my heart crushed as I had been of late by life .

    I'll be back!

    * We would probably end up eliminating half of the pantheon of geniuses if we used that as a rule for engaging an author or thinker.
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  8. Paulus added a post in a topic A Shameless Worship of Heroes   

    Michael, thanks for that very thoughtful reply, I will read it in detail and comment shortly, hopefully not drunk because of new years eve.



    I was indeed confused, I did not know if it was private joke or the like, because since I left the galileans have also adopted smilies as identities or something haha.
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  9. Paulus added a post in a topic A Shameless Worship of Heroes   


    Yes, it is in fact a cynical essay (which was the object or motive of it) rather than a exhaustive and impartial overview of the life of great minds, and more focused in creating controversy, although the intention was not schadenfreude, actually it was more of a pretentious self defense of my erratic behavior, or any persons erratic behavior and attitudes, by showing than even great minds were fallible as human beings. And also the dissapointment was real, at least when I read more in detail the biographies of some of the geniuses mentioned, I was saddened, perhaps naively, but it was a real experience and it says more about my myth construction than anything. So I was curious about why we create the ideals of geniuses as flawless and above the average man in every respect.



    I have not read Johnson's book but I read some reviews and I understand your point now, I am fond of Durant nevertheless because I sympathize with the "blind" praise of genius. Nevertheless I was curious about how do we then critique those we admire without being interpreted as someone cynical or difamatory, and it does not says also something of oneself too to consider the faillings of the great minds as little errors or foibles as you called them (which I had to search the definition haha). Do we search inconsistencies of character, or do we minimize their mistakes? Is it possible to review genius between the approachs taken by Johnson and Durant?

    Edit: Davidm I did not notice your reply

    Yes, I was not implying a strong connection, rather the idea was more of how we admire and forget the humanity of those whom we admire, based on personal experience and the observation I have made of other people's admiration. The connection is frail, since I suppose after brief reflection anyone can notice that it is a mistake to think genius as perfect humans. I think the writing of the essay was also influenced by a judgment that Russell did of Leibniz that got stuck in my head, something like Leibniz was a man of great genius, but as a human being he wasn't so great. But if one is interested in mathematics, philosophy or thought, is unimportant wheteher Leibniz was a good person or not, maybe the moral character is just a reminder that genius is human and not divine.
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    A Shameless Worship of Heroes
    Warning

    1) The following writing was in spanish, then it was translated by me into english.
    2) I haven't written in a long time in english so there may be some strange sentences, phrasing, and other errors.





    “…for why should we stand reverent before waterfalls and mountaintops, or a summer moon on a quiet sea, and not



    before the highest miracle of all: a man who is both great and good? So many of us are mere talents, clever children in the play of life, that when genius stands in our presence we can only bow down before it as an act of God, a continuance of creation.”




    Will Durant, The Greatest Minds and Ideas of All Time



    It is generally correct to state that no great human being, whether in the field of science, philosophy, politics, or the arts, was, as a person, pleasant and praiseworthy, friendly and sensible, or at least one can concede that many are situated quite far from the saintly deification we give them. This I knew, with some disappointment, after perusing briefly history, the great teacher. Yes, because many idols blind us with their most exalted and bright costumes of genius, aided by our naive admiration, of their shameful and reprehensible stains that tarnish them. Perhaps Foucault was uttering a truism when he said that we think of an author not as a person, but as systems of ideas, a cultural product and an array of social meanings (an example would be an artist like Picasso, that whenever we think of him we think him as a synonym of cubism, of rebellion in art, of even art itself maybe; but what about the man Picasso, the asshole Picasso?). The following list, although partial and biased, is what I found in my sad investigation of human filth in what was thought perfect, and this includes sufficient eminent names to generate speculation and curiosity:

    The genius painter Caravaggio suffered from psychopathic impulses and the most subtle misunderstanding turned him mad as a wounded beast ; visionary composer Gesualdo, out of jealousy, killed his wife and mistress and then let their mutilated bodies in public view as any spiteful villain would do; Gandhi was a superstitious indecent, who made a servant of his wife , and his rejection of Western medicine ended up killing her though she was suffering from a curable disease; the famous Argentinian poet Pizarnik could barely control her passions and ruined almost all , if not all , her friendships; Socrates, the philosophy pioneer, was a lousy father, always absent and indolent; Leibniz always opportunistic in his relationships, stopped supporting Spinoza’s philosophy when he got in danger and preferred to lie to himself, than say that he agreed with the tenets of the philosopher named ; poor Spinoza already mentioned , called the prince of philosophers through history, did not have much sympathy , if not an iota of respect, for animals as he thought of them as dispensable things; Schopenhauer, acute observer of life, could never overcome his horrible relationship with his mother and boasted of being a misogynist ; Borges was never able to give a satisfactory justification for its controversial approval of dictator Videla , nor for his obscene acceptance of the recognition done by Pinochet in Chile of his work; Bartolomé de las Casas although he rebuked the Spanish conquistadors brutality, made a ​​blind eye to African slavery; Rousseau was an extreme paranoid that ended turning away all his friends because of unfounded suspicions. The list could go on but I’ll let the interested reader to inquire more.


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    The style of this topic, because of the initial constraints and primordial intentions, is an essay akin to those one can find in Schopenhauer’s Studies on Pessimism, or Mencken’s A Book of Calumny, that is to say, it is not as rigorous in philosophical argument and logical clarity, as it is, I hope, in literary merits and polemics. It also paints a curious and personal reflection about something that stroke my fancy. Nevertheless I expect it to at least starts some mild discussion, perhaps with regards to how we create ideas, myths about the other, especially when that other is a person of great genius and, we assume, rightly deserving our admiration. How much is Borges, for example, the idea, the historical person, the legend maybe, related to the human, the flesh, bones and blood in other words? Also how much is says about ourselves this creation and worship of idols, for, being imaginative, could there be a sign of immortality in every admiration, that is to say, when we admire someone as great as Borges, do we omit, intentionally his most (in)humane qualities, for doing so keeps him saintly and above death, a proxy for our own survival after death (analogous to the immortality of having a child, although this "child", usually, precedes the parents).To resume, why do we have these heroes, how do we define them, how much imperfection can there be in a hero before it diminishes his o her greatness, and why do we worship them, as Durant says in the title of one of his essays; finally, is it of importance to remind ourselves that they were far from perfect and human, all too human, does it matter, or to the contrary, maybe this all too human meanness relates to their greatness in some way?
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  11. Paulus added a post in a topic A decade of TGL   

    Happy anniversary TGL! And surprise too, long time no see

    First of all I want to write something I was going to say years ago, two or three I can't remember now, and that is Thank You people: Michael, The Heretic, Davidm, Hugo, et al. This forum and website were where I can affirm clearly that I became, or at least got into the path of becoming, a charitable, self critical, historical, and prudent skeptic, and by skeptic I do not mean the vulgar slogan of free thinker, that as a rule, is used as synonym of atheism or humanism, or any other global category, that actually does not relate at all with critical thinking because many of those skeptics are void of historical erudition and very lazy with regards to what they critique, and also they are full of myths and ludicrous generalizations (the common hand waving of philosophy of science is the most perfect example). Thanks again guys! I cannot promise that I will be a regular but I for sure will visit whenever I get the chance and time, especially now since i'm on long holidays (finished the sixth semester at the university, im studying psychology).
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  12. Paulus added a post in a topic Exploring Antinatalism   

    I'm following this topic since it is of interest to me, especially now that I have been thinking about it for some time, this pro non-existence idea. At first glance the argument of Benatar seems irrefutable to me, emotionally and logically.

    As a personal opinion, antinatalism appears to me to be a very compassionate position - to avoid the absolutely certain suffering that life imposes on us; plus when one is alive, the aggregation of the consciousness of death and all the existential problems related to it are of such a weary and horrible type, that the "pleasure" and calm of nonexistence are a "bliss" in comparison, at least to me, those billions of years of nonexistence were "heaven" - and the main reason why I find attraction to it.

    There is an article by Benatar that could be discussed too, as an addendum to the book you mentioned:

    http://www.philosophypress.co.uk/?p=1902
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  13. Paulus added a post in a topic Upgrade   

    I don't get it... In chrome the photo has changed, in firefox the photo hasn't changed @.@.
    I think i'll wait until everything has gone back to normal before changing the photo, so I can stop whining about these banalities haahha.
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  14. Paulus added a post in a topic Upgrade   

    I was able to change the picture using Chrome!!
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  15. Paulus added a post in a topic Music you like...   

    This is a nice, classic song, but that is not why I chose the video. It is because the lyrics fit almost perfectly to Vincent van Gogh life and paintings. Beautiful.

    I dedicate this to Davidm whom has had a lot of patience for my lack of responsibility (all the topic I left undone and promises, etc).


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