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Scifi films in dialogue with 2001: A Space Odyssey


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Yesterday, I came across an article on Grantland that pushed forth the thesis that all science fiction films after 1969 are in dialogue with 2001: A Space Odyssey, and shared it with Hugo. He asked the following:

No, I was thinking more of the way Solaris is about people rather than about scifi - the line the Lem famously used about people not seeking others world, just looking for a reflection of themselves. I just wonder if that’s what we used fantasy literature for. I suppose a scifi fan might argue that it’s about what the universe might look like or ultimately mean but I interpreted Lem as making an indirect point about the function of the literature as well as about man’s exploration of the universe.

In 2001's defense, I argue that it is not a standard scifi film, thanks to Stanley Kubrick's creative reading of the original script by Arthur C. Clarke.

A little biography before I sink my teeth into the meat of the question.

After I told my old buddy that I hadn't seen 2001, back in the summer of 2000, he bet me that I would not be able to watch the film without fastforwarding the slow parts. Claimed that 2010 was the superior film. I watched it at late night, in hushed silence, letting the imagery work on me.

After I won the bet, naturally, I realized that 2001 was not a typical scifi film, one with typical scifi pretensions – like 2010.

It took me a while to figure that out, though. :mrgreen:

The ultimate difference between 2001 and the original screenplay by Arthur Clarke is what the director Kubrick prioritized over the story: cinematic art.

It all comes down to this simple formula: Symbolic imagery, pregnant with meaning over dry, objective scientific explanation.

In 2001, Kubrick poses the philosophical questions: why are we here? What is the meaning of existence? Is there a God?

In 2010, Clarke poses more modest questions, and ends on a humanistic note with an optimistic flourish. It's just too bad that only 2010 feels dated today with its Cold War logic, compared with 2001.

Science fiction often relies on the following conceits: good story with solid characterization and an interesting plot. On the other hand, 2001 explored greater themes as a cinematic experience, working visually in the place of dramatic conventions.

Therefore, 2001 was not a genre piece – but a masterpiece.

The only successful scifi films after 2001 are those that transcend the conventions of scifi itself. :cheers:

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It all comes down to this simple formula: Symbolic imagery, pregnant with meaning over dry, objective scientific explanation.

Why does that formula work, though? My suggestion (via Solaris) was that leaving out explanation forces us to provide it ourselves, which is then filtered through our own needs rather than reflecting any ultimate truth about the universe.

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Why does that formula work, though? My suggestion (via Solaris) was that leaving out explanation forces us to provide it ourselves, which is then filtered through our own needs rather than reflecting any ultimate truth about the universe.

Movies like 2001 and Solaris require the audience to put in the work. Some of us prefer to turn off our brains before entering the movie theater, expecting nothing but pure popcorn entertainment. The Polish director Zanussi claimed that it's only fair that directors expect their audiences to meet them halfway, expand some energy in appreciating subtlety.

Kubrick was that type of director, I think.

Then again, the fact that Stanlislaw Lem hated Tarkovsky's adaptation is also telling! :grin2:

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